That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.What’s this? Ron DeSantis LIED about something? He was WRONG? Oh my goodness this is big news! The implication that he has ever told the truth in his miserable life needs to be heard! People need to know!
I agree with this sentiment and I’m not sure what the gotcha is ?
We know we are living in the post truth era, so our default position should be - this is post truth political rhetoric .
Those people who would need to know this most are the ones least to listen and comprehend.
He’s technically correct. They didn’t argue, they just demanded and expected everyone else to accept it. There was no discussion…
This is the technicality they run on. Find any minute rhetorical shift, and claim it didn’t happen under that shift - then let the cattle defend the sound bite or quote.
Or they just lie with wild abandon and sometimes they accidentally say something that’s technically true.
I frequently run into sealioning types who like to purposefully misunderstand phrases/terms used so they can ‘win’.
You’re right though it’s often just pasta on the wall, rapid-fire type nonsense.
We call that “false equivalence,” more formally. It’s no wonder there’s an intersection of Christian fundamentalism and right-wing politics, because that is a favorite tactic of religious apologists, too (who are often fundamentalists themselves).
- Gaslight <== you are here
- Obstruct
- Project
Meanwhile, back in 2021:
US Women are being jailed for having miscarriage
More recently:
Nebraska woman sentenced to 2 years in prison for giving pregnant daughter abortion pills
Hold tf on. So what happens when someone gets an abortion in a place where it’s illegal? There are places making illegal for pregnant women to use highways to stop them from traveling to other states. I know these aren’t just fines.
They’ll be executed. No prison!
That’s pro life!
That sounds like abortion with extra steps.
The extra steps were about controlling women’s bodies, so the actual goal was achieved.
Well the new speaker praised the bill that would have jailed women who get an abortion for 1-10 years. So…that is the direction they want to take it. But that’s not a surprise.
previously, abortion laws prevented doctors from performing them.
Women simply couldn’t get their health providers to give them one. I’m not sure what would have happened if they went with the ol’ rusty coathanger route. (remember folks, banning abortions doesn’t actually stop abortions. It just makes them substantially less safe.)
In any case, what they’re now trying to do is, lock women up who go get otherwise legal abortions out of state. For their next trick, they’ll bar women from having freedom of travel. so they can’t escape.
But that’s what I’m saying. Those are already laws in places like Texas. So why does the article/Snopes mention that putting women in prison isn’t a thing they say? Is a semantical issue that not ALL of them say it?
The article blantantly says desantis is wrong.
It’s desantis whose saying no one is arguing for jail time. not cnn or snopes.
"DeSantis could have fairly said that the most prominent US anti-abortion groups have expressed opposition to the idea of jailing women for getting an abortion. "
which is more or less true. mainstream anti-abortion advocates still want to appear “reasonable”
they’re still trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud. It’s only the far right christofascists that are openly saying they want to lock women up for an abortion. every one else is smart enough to keep their mouth shut.
The section in question is focused on physicians, and DeSantis argued that reading the law makes it clear that the criminal penalties apply only to medical practitioners
What a complete and utter lack of responsibility. “I didn’t cause that village to die of thirst, I just shut the dam completely so no water could get to them.”
Actions have consequences. Actions cause reaction. Either he is too dumb to put those two pieces together, or being directly misleading.
He knows what he’s doing. When dealing with Republicans, never assume incompetence when malice is a potential explanation.
Nolnah’s Conservative Razor
Also, I’d change that to “when malice is an adequate explanation.”
He knows what he’s doing. I get the sense that he’s naturally authoritarian, but if he though Bernie’s politics would get him elected, he adopt Bernie’s politics.
He’s basically just an empty vessel. A naturally evil empty vessel. Which is perfect for the GOP.
Lying liars and the lies they tell.
If we only published the truths they told, we’d hear nary a whisper from them most of the time.
I can’t wait for the, well I was just ignorant of the subject matter I talk so authoritatively about, when challenged on the lie. Will he go with he is a liar or ignorant.
He’ll claim we misunderstood him or that he never said it at all
He won’t allow anyone near him who would challenge him on this.
IIRC, there was a story recently about him having a young dude kicked out for asking a question. I might be thinking of the wrong thing lol
If a conservative speaks- it’s automatically a false claim.
Fact check: flushing a DeSantis makes the DeSantis circle either clockwise or counter-clockwise depending on which side of the equator you took the DeSantis.
The last time I took a desantis it was in one of those loud woosh toilets, it didnt circle at all.
The “silent majority”
…DeShitStains circle the toilet? I thought they were the results of not enough moral fiber.
A DeSantis is a DeSantis, some just hurt more on the way out.
Ron isn’t a turd- that’s trump- Ron is the shitstain left behind by trump getting flushed.
Guy is just a bad candidate. Whether it’s a lie or a screw up, who cares - he’s just not good. And this is the best alternative to Trump that the Republicans can produce. Vomit.
I would argue that he is even worse because he cares about politics and social issues whereas Donald Trump only cared about himself. DeSantis could actually do some irreversible damage.
And he already has done significant damage in his own home state.
That would actually be Asa Hutchinson. DeSantis should be in prison for his human trafficking & kidnapping conspiracy.
I thought almost all of them routinely argue that …?
Lying #fascist continues lying with impunity, news at 11.
Wasn’t there literally a story recently about a woman who was suspected of endangering her unborn child, not even actually going to get an abortion which was illegal in the state of Tennessee at the time, the time being 2023…
But just suspected, and that alone was enough to get her a jail sentence where she nearly lost the child giving birth to them in a prison shower with no medical staff on standby of any kind.
GOP= Gaslighting Obstruction Projection
DeSADIST is honing that first part.