We’ve known for years that the owner is a lying, creepy, out of touch dipshit and that it’s a very flawed car and the company will cut costs to save money on safety items, every time.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future, but there are alternatives, especially if you have money, which a lot of Tesla customers do. And they’re not particularly well built; how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now? And now we’ve seen how Elaine runs their companies, why the hell would anybody put their trust in their products?
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter. You are the hardcore, foaming at the mouth Segway fan from the 2000s, have at me lol.
Update: The teary eyed, sweaty fingered responses to this are predictably hilarious. I’ve been called a guy that eats 4 pizzas a week in another old thread because of this, a cunt, a tool, a douche, a couple people spent their energy to tell me they don’t understand me spending my energy posting this, some people are telling me something about Tesla or Elaine living in my head rent free. All genuinely pathetic responses, so GG lol. Cheers.
other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter.
You know you can post an unpopular opinion without being a completely unlikable cunt, right?
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That’s probably because OP is posting a popular opinion in an unpopular way.
More likely OP is in fact, an absolute douche.
I don’t see how that conflicts with what I said.
Twist: OP owns a Tesla.
This is just his way of coping with the self-hate.
It’s as if OP posted two unpopular opinions.
I mean is “Elon bad and anything related also bad” even unpopular
Nah, he is just a troll and attention lover.
Is this even an unpopular opinion? Feels like everything musk touches is anathema nowadays, at least here on Lemmy.
I struggled with this for a long time on that other site. I’m trying to do things differently here.
I had a blanket “Cool guys don’t look back at explosions” policy to posting on pretty much every other site. I decided to turn over a new leaf on the Fediverse, and try not to post anything I don’t actually want a reply to. It does tend to gentle you down a bit. Also, I noticed other people were at least giving themselves a chance to form friendships that way, so yeah, new deal.
The thing that really sucks about social media is how many people are just using you as a vent pillow to scream into. It’s amazing that so many people are using so many websites that pretty much amount to somebody else’s emotional punching bag.
Wait, how do you form a friendship on sites like this? Best I’ve had are brief friendly interactions and then I forget their username unless it’s one of the novelty accounts, in which case “interactions” feel more like celebrity appearances or like a performance than anything else.
My dude I do not even know. I have managed to be around some people who aren’t like me and gathered the strong impression that people were using social media like it was social, and not anti-social, which I am fluent in. So now I am on a brand-new policy, in the dark and stumbling around. All I can tell you is that the other people are using this thing to meet each other and exchange phone numbers eventually like actual friends. Which makes fuckin sense. If you reply back to other people like you are texting, it changes the nature of the thing. We must both be at peace with letting the thread drop, tho.
I must remind you that the normy world has been using social media to find other people to have sex with for a while, basically pull up the app, swipe swipe swipe until you find a friend for the night and put the phone away, instead of letting the demon consume the next 4 hours somehow. There’s a whole nother paradigm. It seems more entertaining.
But yeah, I think you just treat threads like chats, be cool, and see what happens eventually.
You just avoid that Reddit thing where you come in with your 1500 word truth dunk, that ain’t it.
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people can find a sexual partner on a site like Reddit (or are you just talking about tinder and apps like that?). Meanwhile I’m here avoiding even sharing my province, though I was open about being in Canada. Probably doesn’t help that my desire to be social itself waxes and wanes.
No, I do mean sites like Reddit. The advanced users are making everything act like a dating site when they need it to, because things like tinder don’t work for everyone, so it’s double crazy that they’re making Reddit work for that.
What I was truly referring to is Discord, and all those little communities in there, lots of people making their connections, not just sex, but international friend networking. Snapchat, group chats, all that, they’re busy doing the same, there. Meanwhile, I live as a ghost, interacting with dozens of people a day online, thousands over the years, with nothing much to show for it.
Even out in the real world I’m the kinda guy who can work some place for two years and leave with no new numbers in my phone. It does keep me out of the drama, but I don’t feel I’m striking a balance, either.
So yeah, I wish I knew.
Ooooh discord makes a lot of sense. It’s just the modern version of chat rooms which is where people were hooking up long before tinder was a thing and “a/s/l?” was one of the most common greetings between people just meeting for the first time.
As a BMW driver, I am pleased that there is a new asshole driver car
We’ll come back to you when the discussion circles back to turn signals.
As with any [email protected], its because the signals are broken, like most of the rest of the car.
At least some of the blame has to go right back at BMW for that, the fact that they insist on making a turn signal stalk that doesn’t stay in the down/up position until you turn the wheel blows my mind.
Oh yeah, the wiper stalk is the same way so you can’t ever tell what speed it’s set to lol
No, beemer and audi drivers are still worse. At least Teslas park within the lines.
I will respectfully nod in your direction for the correct usage of beemer. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to not use my turn signal
If liking the CEO is a prerequisite for buying the companies products I’d better start learning how to live off the land
Not a bad idea. We should all do that. Seriously.
I’ve driven probably close to a hundred different Teslas and nearly every electric car currently on the market over my career working with cars, and I completely agree with this take even when you remove Elongated Muskrat and the semi-functional, utterly misrepresented Autopilot entirely from the equation. Sure, a Tesla (in proper working order) feels really good to drive, but practically every other electric car on the market (outliers being the Leaf and the Bolt) are working as hard as they can to capture that same experience and most are doing a really good job if not exceeding that standard. The only differences are that most other manufacturers have what I have to assume is a massively more robust design and engineering team, better quality control, and generally decades upon decades more experience in designing cars in general, and not taking advantage of that as a buyer is a pretty dumb move, especially when you start researching the myriad issues with Teslas. Sure, Tesla may have kickstarted the electric car market, but with all the current, similarly priced options on the market, buying a Tesla is purely for the status-symbol optics or because you actually buy into Elon’s BS, which is its own can of worms.
If you were to recommend an EV today based on your experience, which one would you suggest and why?
Well, it depends pretty heavily on price point. Assuming you’re looking at the middle-to-slightly-upper end EV market and have a Tesla Model 3 on your list, I’d suggest the Mustang Mach-E. Of the upper scale EVs I’ve driven, it’s honestly surprising how good this thing feels despite all the mental gymnastics involved in it being called a “Mustang.” Ford has honestly been killing it with their line of EV offerings, especially the interiors and controls. It’s so far one of the only ones I’ve driven where I’ve said I’d own one (if I could afford it.)
On the less expensive side of things, the Chevrolet Bolt kind of surprised me with how solid it felt as well. They’re way cheap even in comparison to even the Nissan Leaf (I have not driven a current gen Leaf but the older generation were AWFUL) and from what I’ve seen from the now dead Volt (I know, not an EV but the same general idea) Chevy seems to skew towards well-thought out, overengineered products in this category, unlike some of their traditional offerings. Side note: I think the issue with them catching fire is overblown and not unique to Chevy - it’s more a limitation of current battery tech and Ford, Tesla, and practically everyone else has had issues here too.
Kia’s EV6 and Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 also seem surprisingly nice, although they’re not exactly what I’d consider cheap. I can’t comment much more on them though because while I’ve been around them, I haven’t had the chance to really drive one yet, but I have driven a slightly older Kia Soul EV (not currently sold new in the States) and was blown away at how nicely appointed they were and how solid they felt for a subcompact, so I have to assume it’s an even better experience than that.
Recommend an EV today in NA? It depends on your use-case. Do you ever want to drive cross country in any meaningful amount of time? Your answer is unfortunately Tesla because of their vast charging infrastructure.
Do you want a city driving and will reserve your cross country driving to a gas powered vehicle? Just about any other EV would be better.
If you can afford it, the Mercedes EQE is awesome, but it’s a sedan so cargo space is limited. I don’t know about the SUV version. I prefer wagons to SUVs because they’re more practical. More space and better comfort for same money usually, as SUVs have bigger profit margins. There’s also a Shooting Brake version coming possibly, but it looks a bit weird and it’s still 2 years out.
The Ioniq 5 wasn’t very nice compared to the ‘03 Mercedes I owned while I test drove it, I was disappointed with its’ ride quality, but as a vehicle for someone who’s not very demanding in that department, it seemed great.
Avoid the hell out of the Skoda Enyaq. Not comfortable, not cheap, not fast. Idk if it does anything well. I suppose there was decent legroom in both front and back seats.
The upcoming Volvo EX30 will be super fast for its price if you’re into that sorta thing, but also super minimalistic, and touch-screen based (newer Mercedes sadly have the same problem). Let me adjust the climate settings with physical switches!
I’m probably not as experienced with electric cars as OP sounds to be, but I really enjoy driving the VW ID3 whenever I get to rent one. It’s compact, drives sporty and has a good interior IMO.
If the Bolt/EUV fits your use case it is an unmatched value. I love mine so much. I hope they make an Ultium version by the time I’m ready for a new car.
Also work with cars and absolutely agree. Tesla may have kick-started the market but as a rule in general you’re usually better off going with the engineers that have more experience under their belt. The exceptions being if the company is cutting corners to save money which Tesla is supposedly doing anyway so yeah, I’d go with the other guys.
Elaine
Gender shaming? What the fuck does your projected gender issues have to do with anything?
Elon Musk is a vocal transphobe. So misgendering him is meant to insult him. Even though he will never read this thread.
Yea somehow stooping to his level diminishes the impact of this point.
It’s definitely unnecessary. Kind of like people who think it’s hilarious to write “tRump”.
“tRump”
Don’t need to do anything with that name when it’s long been a euphemism for farting in my country
Misgendering a transphobe is still transphobic. It’s still a big stinking “fuck you” to a bunch of people walking by who have nothing to do with the bug up OP’s ass.
Look, you wouldn’t call him a “fag” because he’s homophobic, right??
No one is defending the language, just explaining why they’re using it. Read this thread. We’ve moved on.
Pardon me for replying to what is said to me. Please, by all means, move on, but I have seen enough of this dumpster fire of a thread.
I hate Musk with a white hot intensity but I want Tesla to succeed. I think it’s important to stop burning oil, and I think the traditional car industry would drop EV production like a hot potato if the Tesla threat went away. I drive a Ford PHEV and I have a short commute so I buy gas a couple times a year. It was the better option for me, but I want people to keep buying teslas. So, they’re not tools, they’re smart, good-looking, and wonderful dancers.
Meh… Tesla has done it’s job pushing us to EVs. The big players all have an EV that’s competative to superior than what Elon is offering.
It’s a self sustaining cycle outside of Tesla now.
Yep. Tesla can eat shit.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/16/elon-musks-las-vegas-loop-might-only-carry-a-fraction-of-the-passengers-it-promised/ food for thought? So Musk isn’t the man who we thought he is. He doesn’t really care about the environment as much as he pretends to. This guy is all fake!
Yeah. Total phony and a very dangerous piece of shit. Believe me I hate rooting for his shitty car company but with electric cars at least there’s the possibility of running them from carbon free sources like wind and solar. I always thought the hyper loop was all hype no loop.
Electric cars / Tesla aren’t doing anything to save the environment. Their only purpose is to keep the car industry going a bit longer.
How is the energy produced that goes into the vehicles? What about the workers in the “we’ll coup who we like” countries which dig up the resources to build the batteries? What about all the resources to build the things? What happens to the cars after the battery is done?
We should instead be thinking about building a better world where we don’t need to rely on cars to go to meaningless and harmful jobs. Cities should be more hostile to cars in general, and build environments which are more pedestrian / bike / remote worker friendly.
I get it, I do. In fact I’d say I agree wholeheartedly with your third paragraph. But I reject the idea that imperfect steps in the right direction aren’t worth taking. We can’t scrap the suburbs and create a walkable city overnight. It will take time and concerted effort. In the meantime I charge my car with sunshine. About 15 minutes worth is enough to get to work. You won’t convince me that that is not better than burning a quart of gasoline to achieve the same result.
Never getting rid of personal transportation. People want to travel to see & do things that aren’t going to be served by public transport.
I’ve received numerous reports on this post now, and I’m doing my best to leave it up. Please refrain from personally insulting people here (i.e. the post title and update). Still leaving it up for now.
The problem is the entire post is intentionally argumentative. Unpopular opinions aren’t calling other people assholes to get some rage bait.
Don’t give in to the Tesla stans, mod. Don’t do it.
Pretty sure rule 2 is the only reason the mod is considering it. You could just be a little less… insulting? Then you’d be safe
You have a problem with Tesla’s boss, not with Tesla.
Outside of Musk the reported build quality issues put me off owning one. That and the design looks dated now.
Fair enough. At least this has something to do with the brand and their product.
I don’t know a ton of Tesla owners, but the ones I do know aren’t “Tesla Bros” by any stretch. Half of them didn’t even know who Elon was and once I explained the response was “oh that guy owns Tesla? I didn’t know that”.
I think the average population just isn’t that in the loop sadly.
Did you read the news today? Did you go on reddit or lemmy? Congratulations. You’re actually more informed than 99% of humanity.
Honestly the car industry as a whole is whack, not just Tesla.
Most manufacturers would screw over their customers as well as the planet if it means a bigger profit.
I love my Leaf. Only 129 miles for range and can take longer than 12 hours to charge in my garage but not having bought gas for almost 5 years has been great and it’s a joy to drive an electric car. I compared the Leaf to the Tesla Model 3 at the time and could find no reasons that the Leaf wasn’t a better use of my money. Tesla electric cars seem like more of a status symbol than an environmental or economic decision in today’s EV market.
“Fuck you for trying to buy a car that you might enjoy, now get back to the shitty car companies who have a monopoly on the automotive business.”
Like seriously, Hate Elon all you want, but no we haven’t known “for years” and you claims on “safety items” seems dubious at best. But more importantly people wanted a specific car. If you buy it specifically because of Elon, ok, but most people just want the best car, and pretending the automotive industry isn’t filled with the absolute worst of humanity (Far worse than Elon, just not public facing enough)… like you’re kidding yourself bud.
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter.
Here’s my hot take, I really don’t give a shit what you think, and I’m saying this as a non-Tesla owner. It’s not about you being poor, or any other salty, you’re a pure asshole (let me guess BMW driver). You belittle others who “opinions don’t matter” but I’m really struggling why does anyone care what you think at that rate?
And no this being “Unpopular” isn’t good enough this is just a shitty argument. This is OP just being argumentative and insulting.
Hell the “Elaine” joke should offend those who propose to care about gendered insults, but I suppose that will be accepted because “Bad man deserved it” or something. Do the same to Elliot Page, and you’d be crucified though.
Musk has lost a lot of respect over the years and that’s continuing in the same trajectory. I always sensed he wasn’t being honest and I guess he kind of is being more himself.
Tesla is way over priced than what it’s actually worth to build the vehicles, this is based on what they’ve said themselves. The fact is it’s in so much demand that as usual when that happens the price increases. Other companies just need to make the jump to EV vehicles for Tesla’s to need to lower prices or improve even more, but your post reeks of some other reasoning to why you’re posting this.
It’s been said a million times, but being overpriced and insisting on totally unnecessary (and downright harmful to the EV industry) proprietary connectors makes them the Apple of cars.
The parallels are stunning. They need to be stifled before anything they do in this sphere seems like a good idea.
I’ve never once bought or not bought a product because of who the CEO is. I’m definitely not going to start now.
All CEOs are assholes, so to the people who say not to buy just because of a CEO are just reactionary fools.
Elon is also CEO is SpaceX, but SpaceX is by far the biggest disruptor to commercial space that has ever existed. Granted its success is all thanks to SpaceX President Gwen Shotwell, and not Elon.
Agreed! It amuses me that Elon gets all the credit/criticism when he’s basically the spokesperson and the lightning rod for all of his companies.
Are you still on reddit ?
No
get a jeep tire rotation at dealer service and they add unscheduled brake maintenance not covered under warranty. $900. Tesla checked wear in my driveway and said it wasn’t needed. $0.00