Warning: Some posts on this platform may contain adult material intended for mature audiences only. Viewer discretion is advised. By clicking ‘Continue’, you confirm that you are 18 years or older and consent to viewing explicit content.
it always gives me pause to see well known kernel maintainers take such seemingly knee jerk reactions.
when a someone like a script kiddie does it, it doesn’t matter; but I wonder when a kernel maintainer does it, i have to wonder why and i think i’m afraid to learn that the impetus and thought process for both are the same.
Something i have learned in life, much to my own dismay, is that a lot of people that are very smart, and very good at specific things are really insanely reactionary. I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world and just catch some CNN here and there and go ok ya thats 100% true time to get back to arguing about boot loaders or whatever.
Like i bet the people who made this decision are rn thinking to themselves “Wait im confused the news said Russia was bad and my close circle of lib friends thought this was a good idea why is everyone mad?”
This has been 100% my experience as well. Most of the really good coders I’ve met are the types that also do it as a hobby outside work and also are reactionary/turbolib empire bootlickers. Literally regurgitating MSM slop and thinking they understand societal problems because they’ve read an op-ed in Bloomberg about why we need AI to fix the economy rather or something like that.
I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world
I’d also add to that the fact that this one thing they focus on has often been put on a pedestal (like coding for instance), which gets to many of them and makes them overestimate their abilities in other areas (“society says coders are smart, I’m a coder, I make good money, maybe I really am better than others, even at other things too” - an attitude I’ve encountered quite a few times).
Programmers, the senior ones who can court good money with relative ease at least, are gonna tend to be pretty well off, which I’m sure is part of it. For them, the concept of “skills gud, pay gud too, something something meritocracy vibes” pretty much applies (even if the reasons it works for them are probably not what they think) and afaik they don’t even have to fight for it with unions much of the time because the demand is high enough and the number of people at their skill level low enough. Entry level seems to be a much different story, having become saturated with all the bootcamp code stuff and “learn to code” rhetoric and such. But like, there’s stuff where it runs on some old programming language that virtually nobody learns or actively uses anymore, so knowing it could give you a lot of leverage.
The moment these types of people were faced with hardship in employment and wages, I’m confident many of them would start questioning a lot of things they never thought much about before. But as long as they are a relatively comfy class in high demand, much of the class struggle can fly under the radar for them and through that, much of the rhetoric that might persuade them to think about imperialism as well.
Yup. It’s haute labor aristocracy. Or was, maybe it’s down a peg nowadays. And usually all STEM, no humanities. No class consciousness. Petit bourgeois stock options aspirations.
By all rights I should be an insufferable turbolib.
The treats are eroding nowadays, though, so they’re likely to get angrier. Maybe a few will develop class consciousness.
Most of these types I interact with are blaming the poor or some specific government “bad apples”. A few do seem to almost “get it”, but still have way too many liberal brainworms and draw some milquetoast or outright reactionary conclusions
It’s an uphill battle trying to instill any sort of class consciousness in these people, as expected due to their material conditions
it always gives me pause to see well known kernel maintainers take such seemingly knee jerk reactions.
when a someone like a script kiddie does it, it doesn’t matter; but I wonder when a kernel maintainer does it, i have to wonder why and i think i’m afraid to learn that the impetus and thought process for both are the same.
Something i have learned in life, much to my own dismay, is that a lot of people that are very smart, and very good at specific things are really insanely reactionary. I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world and just catch some CNN here and there and go ok ya thats 100% true time to get back to arguing about boot loaders or whatever.
Like i bet the people who made this decision are rn thinking to themselves “Wait im confused the news said Russia was bad and my close circle of lib friends thought this was a good idea why is everyone mad?”
This has been 100% my experience as well. Most of the really good coders I’ve met are the types that also do it as a hobby outside work and also are reactionary/turbolib empire bootlickers. Literally regurgitating MSM slop and thinking they understand societal problems because they’ve read an op-ed in Bloomberg about why we need AI to fix the economy rather or something like that.
I’d also add to that the fact that this one thing they focus on has often been put on a pedestal (like coding for instance), which gets to many of them and makes them overestimate their abilities in other areas (“society says coders are smart, I’m a coder, I make good money, maybe I really am better than others, even at other things too” - an attitude I’ve encountered quite a few times).
Programmers, the senior ones who can court good money with relative ease at least, are gonna tend to be pretty well off, which I’m sure is part of it. For them, the concept of “skills gud, pay gud too, something something meritocracy vibes” pretty much applies (even if the reasons it works for them are probably not what they think) and afaik they don’t even have to fight for it with unions much of the time because the demand is high enough and the number of people at their skill level low enough. Entry level seems to be a much different story, having become saturated with all the bootcamp code stuff and “learn to code” rhetoric and such. But like, there’s stuff where it runs on some old programming language that virtually nobody learns or actively uses anymore, so knowing it could give you a lot of leverage.
The moment these types of people were faced with hardship in employment and wages, I’m confident many of them would start questioning a lot of things they never thought much about before. But as long as they are a relatively comfy class in high demand, much of the class struggle can fly under the radar for them and through that, much of the rhetoric that might persuade them to think about imperialism as well.
Yup. It’s haute labor aristocracy. Or was, maybe it’s down a peg nowadays. And usually all STEM, no humanities. No class consciousness. Petit bourgeois stock options aspirations.
By all rights I should be an insufferable turbolib.
The treats are eroding nowadays, though, so they’re likely to get angrier. Maybe a few will develop class consciousness.
Most of these types I interact with are blaming the poor or some specific government “bad apples”. A few do seem to almost “get it”, but still have way too many liberal brainworms and draw some milquetoast or outright reactionary conclusions
It’s an uphill battle trying to instill any sort of class consciousness in these people, as expected due to their material conditions
Well I’m very glad that you’re not. :D