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Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16.
They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.
And another important thing to bear in mind is that the start of the advance is the hardest part of the advance. Russia has built up a thick crust of defensive lines. At some point the advance penetrates that crust, and then the gooey center goes much more quickly.
Unless the Russians abandoned all of good Soviet military doctrine (which is quite possible since they’re so virulently anti-communist), that is the furthest from the truth possible.
The Soviet military doctrine has been Deep Operation since the founding of the nation, where there is no single hard battlefront, instead keeping the combat line deep and flexible. Unless there is significant evidence to the contrary, I would assume that the operational paradigm for the Russian military remains the same.
It’s not exactly a line. It’s miles and miles of defensive fortifications, entrenchments, units, and supply lines in a myriad configurations. There’s no breaking through it in a traditional sense. Like I said earlier, the entire doctrine of warfare is different, like how the US armed forces doctrine is based on aerial support.
I’m not seeing a “mesh” on that map. I’m seeing a line. There’s a speckling of fortifications deeper in, but a military that has broken through that line isn’t going to have much trouble with a speckling. That’s the “gooey center” I was talking about. The main strength is concentrated along the line.
That’s just not true. Ukraine has not even gotten through the first defense line anywhere along the front. Where are you referring to with them knocking on the second line?
I’m not sure if Robotyne has completely been taken by AFU or not, but that’s not part of the “first line of defense”. These are outer/forward defense positions. We aren’t totally sure what portion of Russian defense units are manning these forward positions however, and the RFAF have tried to build up fortification around the area, but its not the first official line, which is maybe where people get confused.
If you look at this image, I’ve labelled the two main lines of the Russian defenses from deepstatemap:
And here I’ve circled in blue, an example of what portion of the Defense in Depth doctrine, Robotyne and areas where AFU has made gains, these parts of the front are equivalent to:
Russia have left Robotyne and those black lines are defence lines. The deep state map is always a few days behind.
Ukraine has also committed the 82 brigade into that area to push further forward. All of which has been made possible with the newer method of mine detecting.
Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16. They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.
And another important thing to bear in mind is that the start of the advance is the hardest part of the advance. Russia has built up a thick crust of defensive lines. At some point the advance penetrates that crust, and then the gooey center goes much more quickly.
Unless the Russians abandoned all of good Soviet military doctrine (which is quite possible since they’re so virulently anti-communist), that is the furthest from the truth possible.
The Soviet military doctrine has been Deep Operation since the founding of the nation, where there is no single hard battlefront, instead keeping the combat line deep and flexible. Unless there is significant evidence to the contrary, I would assume that the operational paradigm for the Russian military remains the same.
If there’s a “combat line” then there’s another side to that line.
It’s not exactly a line. It’s miles and miles of defensive fortifications, entrenchments, units, and supply lines in a myriad configurations. There’s no breaking through it in a traditional sense. Like I said earlier, the entire doctrine of warfare is different, like how the US armed forces doctrine is based on aerial support.
Ok, a thick line. Haven’t you seen the map?
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. How is that a line to break through? It’s a mesh of defensive fortifications miles deep.
I’m not seeing a “mesh” on that map. I’m seeing a line. There’s a speckling of fortifications deeper in, but a military that has broken through that line isn’t going to have much trouble with a speckling. That’s the “gooey center” I was talking about. The main strength is concentrated along the line.
Your own map shows fortifications all over the theater. Yes, there’s more concentrated towards the front naturally. Are you talking about that?
Now I want cupcakes. Dammit.
That’s just not true. Ukraine has not even gotten through the first defense line anywhere along the front. Where are you referring to with them knocking on the second line?
So it is a lie that they have broken through to Robotyne?
I’m not sure if Robotyne has completely been taken by AFU or not, but that’s not part of the “first line of defense”. These are outer/forward defense positions. We aren’t totally sure what portion of Russian defense units are manning these forward positions however, and the RFAF have tried to build up fortification around the area, but its not the first official line, which is maybe where people get confused.
If you look at this image, I’ve labelled the two main lines of the Russian defenses from deepstatemap:
https://i.imgur.com/MnksZXt.png
And here I’ve circled in blue, an example of what portion of the Defense in Depth doctrine, Robotyne and areas where AFU has made gains, these parts of the front are equivalent to:
https://i.imgur.com/nOSvIJU.png
Source for second image US Fort Moore on Russian Maneuver Defense: https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2021/Spring/2Grau_Bartles21.pdf
Russia have left Robotyne and those black lines are defence lines. The deep state map is always a few days behind.
Ukraine has also committed the 82 brigade into that area to push further forward. All of which has been made possible with the newer method of mine detecting.
I respect him as a voice of reason