when Russia becomes the third world nation in a proxy war.
Russia has been a third world nation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Politicians just like to use the Russian boogeyman to scare people who remember the Cold War. Putin may be a monster, but China is the real threat.
Russia literally invaded two countries and stole their land and people. Your post is ridiculous.
Russia is certainly a regional threat but countries invade and dominate other countries in their sphere of influence all the time. Russia does not have what it takes to dominate on a world stage like they did after World War 2. Their economy is weak, as is their military.
Do Abkhazians and Ossetians really count themselves stolen Georgian citizens? Do they really count their land as Georgian land stolen by Russians? Your post is ridiculous.
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Okay lol
I understand your sentiment but as a history major I need to clarify that Russia is literally the Second World Nation. As in, the First, Second, and Third categorization emerged to describe pro-NATO, pro-Warsaw Pact, and unaligned countries.
TIL…
China was considered a true partner of the West until 2008.
Business was good, fake news was doing daddies’ biddings while jobs were being shipped out.
Both the US and China have legitimate security interests that are at odds with each other.
Sorry, but the real threat to what exactly?
Edited: aside from Taiwan, Hong Kong, several other nations in the east. My question was more in the context of China as a threat to anything in the western hemisphere. They are the eastern version of the US, no doubt about it.
The US status as a hegemony.
With India on the rise as well I think we are transitioning into a pre-WW1 like multipolar balance of power which could slide into WW3. Safest option would be China and the US dominate everyone else and we get another Cold War, but we will see.
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"usa good china bad
ww3 great"
I’m losing the plot. I don’t know what’s real anymore. Liberal confusion is bloody contagious.
What does race have to do with it?
Oh please, we all know the real reason China is seen as a “threat” by Americans.
It’s all about money and power, mate. Not race. The US and the Soviet Union are both predominately Caucasian and they were at odds for the better part of the 20th Century. Race has nothing to do with it.
When it comes to China, racism isn’t exactly hidden.
What are you on about? You didn’t address my counter-point. You merely restated this blatant propaganda.
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but
ChinaAmerica is the real threat.FTFY
Why not both?
America collaborates well enough with the rest od the countries. Americas system is bullshit but China is having even more control and is even more destructive. Both are shit but China is more of a threat
More of a threat to who?
Collaborate? Is that what America does when they invade a country and murder its people?
I think it’s the bit where they install a military outpost and destroy the host’s energy infrastructure.
No no no, they liberate the country from dangerous potential socialist values, a perceived will of the country to distance themselves from the US, or, you know, because they can.
Thats why I hate america too, and its capitalist system. They are mostly jerks. But they chrisitan way of not knowing what to do except of bombarding is really weird.
But at least its cooperating eith EU and some counctries.
The only people that matter are white and European.
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I guess everything is relative. I should have clarified that I meant China is a threat to America’s dominance of the world stage.
I have no problem with that.
Yeah to be fair some people will have a problem with it and some won’t. I think it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
My money is on the Chinese.
Maybe, but the housing crisis and shrinking population gives me pause. Not to mention I think there is more internal dissent in China than people like to talk about. China still hasn’t caught up to the US militarily and the gap is no longer closing in.
Whaaat? But China said they weren’t doing that. China wouldn’t just lie like that, would it?
Did you check behind their back to see if their fingers were crossed?
No :(
Where have you been when China lied for the 48352847285627th time this week? 🥲
Around I guess, but I was utilizing the technique of sarcasm there.
And I tried to reference the club penguin meme. I suck at being funny.
Well, shit. Comedy is hard, don’t beat yourself up.
Both Russia and Ukraine are buying and using consumer-level drones and scopes from China, though…
Turns out, AliExpress is pretty fucking amazing.
Eh, sometimes it is.
China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.
The article itself doesn’t cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn’t been anything recently.
If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.
In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.
Turns out, China isn’t a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.
The CCP doesn’t care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.
Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you’d have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.
Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.
Russia provides a buffer, it’s the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.
Dual-use goods
Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia
The “international sanctions” btw:
You can’t just unilaterally decree someone can’t be traded dual use goods
Not sure if you understand the meaning of “unilateral”.
It’s the informal group known as the International Community.
For those interested, the dual use loophole is how the yanks supplied Saddam when he fought Iran and used chemical weapons against the Kurds. A conbination of dual use and swaps through intermediaries. Nowadays the US didn’t give as much of a fuck and instead manufactures reasons for why it’s okay to ship direct.
Although there is quite a gap between saying metals are dual use, and playing coy about specific chemicals that are most useful as precursors for advanced chemical weapons being dual use
That there is.
Those are pretty international, y’know. What would your criteria be for calling sanctions international?
A large majority of the world engaging in sanctions and not the usual suspects regularly framed in the press as the “international community.” It’s framed that way to imply that the entire world is doing it besides a few “rogue states” like China, North Korea or Venezuela, as if they were handed down by the UN or the world is united in agreement with the western sanctions regime. What would be far more accurate than “international sanctions” would be “western sanctions.”
For a more immediate example of how framing effects perception, look at all the people in this thread upset about China giving Russia weapons. No weapons are listed, just drones, helicopters, and metals. Upon opening the article you’ll see the drones arrived before the war and are presumably consumer electronics, and there are six undefined types of helicopters. Some posters even mentioned attack helicopters, as if the Telegraph would not be screaming about attack helicopters and not helicopters if that was the case.
It’s a complete nothingburger and like all nothingburgers it plays with language to let you fill in the gaps using the context they have provided. Russia is being “armed” with some consumer drones, six personal helicopters, and metal, and the whole world is in uproar about it.
But, this is about as international as sanctions get. These are among the largest sanctions in history, in fact. Under your definition, no such thing as international sanctions ever happened. And the word “international” doesn’t imply global, planetary or a majority.
But, this is about as international as sanctions get.
Not true, North Korea is sanctioned by everyone via the UNSC with more specific sanctions from other countries and bodies like the EU.
And the word “international” doesn’t imply global, planetary or a majority.
Right, when they say the international sanctions by the international community they’re definitely not trying to imply anything. I wonder in that case what they mean when they mention the rules based international order.
You see, the global South doesn’t matter because they’re not white and European.
Helicopters, drones, and metals they won’t be able to use at Taiwan.
Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.
Politically it’s better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We’re not how many countries would back Taiwan.
I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros
Sorry, I meant over a billion Euros each. The US is at over €70 billion alone.
Of our hard-earned money, those degenerate warmongers (I’m looking at you, Urszula)!
the difference is in Taiwan’s case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn’t have a hope
In every simulation, China wipes the floor with the US in a conventional war against the mainland. You can look it up if you like.
already have, and every simulation says the opposite. dunno what nonsense you been looking at
edit: oh, lemmygrad. nevermind
Let’s hope we never have to find out who’s right.
on this I agree. lot of death on all sides garunteed. noone wants this
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It:s a shame because supplying that gear to Ukraine would have helped China’s reputation on the international stage and bolstered trade. It would have not been well received by the Kremlin but a losing army can’t invade anyone else.
They are, though?
People are going on AliExpress and buying stuff. This is neither new nor illegal. Chinese companies live in a capitalist market just like everyone else.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
China and Russia are working together to overthrow the relatively democratic, rules-based US-Euro hegemony. That’s why they announced their super duper special forever friendship shortly before Putin started his latest genocidal land grab.
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whaat ? China sending weapons to Russia !?
The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.
Beijing issued a 12-point “peace statement” earlier this year that rehashed its position and did not propose any solutions to ending the war.
You obviously didn’t read it then…
It contains points such as “sovereignty should be respected” but no proposal as to how to make Russia respect Ukraine’s sovereignty.
I wonder if this’ll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn’t outright support Russia with war materials because they can’t afford to be sanctioned by “the West”, as they’re much more reliant on trade with the EU and US
Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?
Give away trash, get better prices on oil
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Russia has China and India as serious allies?
Yeah… they’re not. China is nobody’s ally.
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Don’t believe me? Ask Jonas Savimbi. Or Vietnam.
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Don’t worry… that incoherence problem will probably clear up by the time you hit your twenties.
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Uh, excuse me. Granpeople
There is no surprise that communist China would and is supplying their northern neighbor.
If anyone is actually surprised about this, then maybe they’ll be surprised when I give them an amazing deal of being able to buy the official deed to the Golden Gate Bridge for only $300 and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps. Just constant me at 123-456-7890 for details.
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does China have a choice?
Yes
Is there free will? Are we all living in the matrix? questions…
Not metals!
Even the kitchen sink (not the porcelain one).