• theotherverion@lemmynsfw.com
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    8 months ago

    Actually yes. Once hamas raises white flag and returns hostages, Israel’s high-level offense will stop, so their treatment will be better.

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      8 months ago

      “If we just don’t make a fuzz fuss and walk to the trains and the gas chambers peacefully, I’m sure they’ll treat us better”

      You can’t be that delusional

      edit fuzz -> fuss

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            8 months ago

            Fuss* it’s the best look to not proofread lol but I was just trying to let you know.

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              Yeah that’s true, “fuzz” is what I had on my lip when I was 14.

              But “making fuses” also works in the context, lol.

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        8 months ago

        That’s a very different story because unlike Hamas, Jews weren’t organizing terrorist attacks against Germans and they didn’t declare war against them so many times.

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            That was a direct and not so effective response to WW2 started by germans. Just like Israel responds to Hamas now.

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              8 months ago

              You know what was happening concurrently with WWII?

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

              So you’re claiming “Hamas started it”?

              Hamas was founded in the late 80’s.

              The Irgun were bombing Arabians in the 30’s, 50 years earlier.

              Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times, the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry, prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others. Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the founding of Israel. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period

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                  The Battle of Tel Hai, which lead to those protests, is a part of the Franco-Syrian war, and not even considered a part of the intercommunal conflict by many.

                  Ie not related to the conflict we’re talking about.

                  In the wake of the protests, sheikhs of 82 villages around the city and Jaffa, claiming to represent 70% of the population, issued a document protesting the demonstrations against the Jews.

                  The leaders of the local Arab community protested the Arab Nationalists, despite the growing Zionism.

                  You just can’t admit to Israel bearing any part of the blame. I show you history of zionists bombing hundreds of people dead and you think linking a small protest that was barely violent somehow makes the currently ongoing genocide alright?

                  That kind of willfull ignorance is what enabled the holocaust.

                  And now you’re proudly displaying it.

                  It turns my stomach, literally.

                  You don’t understand that I am not saying “Israel started it”. I’m mocking you for not realising how childish going “but mooooom, he started it” is.

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                    8 months ago

                    You were the one who stared going into history and it was you who started finding old escalations trying to unsuccessfully prove that it were the Jews who firstly attacked. As you have pointed out, this approach makes zero sense.

                    In addition, I have never said Israel has no responsibility in this conflict as a whole. They made many mistakes, just like Palestinians.

                    What I disagree with, though, and pointed it out many times, is, how extremely one sided many of the arguments are.

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          8 months ago

          Lol you seriously said that with a straight face huh? Need to brush up on your history bud.

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            8 months ago

            Was WW2 a result of numerous terrorist attacks of Jews who attacked German civilians? Did Germany start oppression only after Jewish inhabitants killed more than a thousand of Germans repeatedly?

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              Holy shit. It doesn’t matter if the Jews did committing acts of terrorism during ww2, and it doesn’t matter that Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.

              And I can tell you why it doesn’t matter in one (slightly run-on) sentence.

              Because no act of terrorism justifies the actions that Israel has taken against Palestinian civilians just as nothing that was done or could have been done by the Jews leading up to WW2 would have justified the holocaust

              There is no justification for genocide. Israel can attempt to eliminate Hamas for the actions committed on Oct 7th, but that doesn’t justify their complete disregard for civilian safety and well-being. (Nearly 30k palestinian civilians dead already)

              Also, I just want to make it clear that almost every piece of rhetoric that has been used to excuse Israel’s actions in this genocide, were also used to justify the actions taken against the Jews during WW2. And I’m sorry, but if you’re falling for it now, you probably would have fallen for it then too.

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                8 months ago

                I do not necessarily agree that this can be considered a genocide as even ICJ did not give the exact statement and comparing it to holocaust is truly insane.

                However, I fully agree that they should follow the international law and they fail to do so. There is no excuse to not following international law just like there is no excuse to starting a brutal terrorist attack like Hamas did.

                Also, I honestly doubt I would fall for nazi propaganda considering the fact a singnificant portion of my ancestors were executed by it