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He was 10, but in photographs from his last days in Gaza, he looks both small for his age and at the same time ancient. By the next day, Yazan was dead.
The Irgun were bombing Arabians in the 30’s, 50 years earlier.
Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times, the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry, prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others. Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the founding of Israel. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period
The Battle of Tel Hai, which lead to those protests, is a part of the Franco-Syrian war, and not even considered a part of the intercommunal conflict by many.
Ie not related to the conflict we’re talking about.
In the wake of the protests, sheikhs of 82 villages around the city and Jaffa, claiming to represent 70% of the population, issued a document protesting the demonstrations against the Jews.
The leaders of the local Arab community protested the Arab Nationalists, despite the growing Zionism.
You just can’t admit to Israel bearing any part of the blame. I show you history of zionists bombing hundreds of people dead and you think linking a small protest that was barely violent somehow makes the currently ongoing genocide alright?
That kind of willfull ignorance is what enabled the holocaust.
And now you’re proudly displaying it.
It turns my stomach, literally.
You don’t understand that I am not saying “Israel started it”. I’m mocking you for not realising how childish going “but mooooom, he started it” is.
You were the one who stared going into history and it was you who started finding old escalations trying to unsuccessfully prove that it were the Jews who firstly attacked. As you have pointed out, this approach makes zero sense.
In addition, I have never said Israel has no responsibility in this conflict as a whole. They made many mistakes, just like Palestinians.
What I disagree with, though, and pointed it out many times, is, how extremely one sided many of the arguments are.
trying to unsuccessfully prove that it were the Jews
You didn’t read the last line of my previous comment?
Here:
You don’t understand that I am not saying “Israel started it”. I’m mocking you for not realising how childish going “but mooooom, he started it” is.
That being said, while the origins of the conflict are clearly multifaceted, the Zionists seem to have a bit more of a… presence in the history books than Palestinian nationalists. The rhetoric of “divine right” versus “but we fucking live here already”.
It’s extremely naive to think that if Hamas were to say “okay, you win, here are the hostages” that this clearly purposeful ethnic cleansing would just stop and all the hostilities would seize and that Hamas somehow had a way to enforce a seize-fire in the first place. You were saying “unironically, yeah, it would”. No, it clearly wouldn’t as we’ve just demonstrated just how far back the conflict goes.
Which, to remind you, is at least 50 years before Hamas was even founded.
“How extremely one-sided many of the arguments are”
You mean like… people saying that no matter what Hamas has done, it doesn’t excuse Israel committing genocide, perpetuating war crimes, breaking basic human rights? Because, that’s not “one-sided”, because no matter what Hamas has done, **genocide is inexcusable. **
So do you think Israel is guilty of breaking international laws and conventions?
Let my start with your question: Yes, it is crystal clear Israel broke international laws. I do not think we have to debate about it.
Despite committing war crimes, it is still their right to defend against terrorists.
Then you also said Israel commits genocide, however, the case still is at ICJ and so far they have not issued a statement that Israel commits genocide, hence it is incorrect to assume they do.
Furthermore, I see Palestinian radicals to be more present in history books than Zionists (at least in middle EU) for organizing a terrorist every once in a while and walking away when possible deals are on the table, EDIT: though this is not completely fair because I see their breaches as equally bad.
The ICJ confirmed that it does have jurisdiction to hear the case submitted by South Africa and issued six emergency orders to Israel, as follows:
Israel must take all possible measures to prevent acts as outlined in Article 2 of the 1948 Genocide Convention. This entails not killing members of a particular group (in this case, Palestinians), not causing physical or psychological harm to members of that group, not inflicting living conditions which are calculated to bring about the end of the existence of a people, and not carrying out actions designed to prevent births within that group of people.
Measure approved by a vote of 15-2.
Israel must ensure its military does not carry out any of the above actions.
“It’s not a genocide, it’s just that our defense minister is yelling about ‘the extermination of human animals’, we’re bombing indiscriminately, having dropped more bombs in a week than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year, killed over 12,300 CHILDREN, keep prisoners naked in cages outside, but it’s definitely just defense that we are entitled to.”
(sources for the rhetoric and stats on bombs and dead children and abuse of prisoners)
That’s what most Israeli’s sound like. And then you think that people are “one-sided” when they don’t agree with your “NO NO NO NOT A GENOCIDE” delusions?
If there’s no genocide, why did the ICJ order Israel to “do everything in it’s power” to prevent one? Yes, there are still steps before the final verdict can be issued, but pretending you don’t know it is a genocide is downright disgusting.
Despite committing war crimes, it is still their right to defend against terrorists.
Yeah, but not if it involves committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing.
Do you understand that no-one purposefully perpetuating a genocide would admit to doing so, obviously?
Are you serious?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_resistance_in_German-occupied_Europe
That was a direct and not so effective response to WW2 started by germans. Just like Israel responds to Hamas now.
You know what was happening concurrently with WWII?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
So you’re claiming “Hamas started it”?
Hamas was founded in the late 80’s.
The Irgun were bombing Arabians in the 30’s, 50 years earlier.
Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times, the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry, prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others. Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the founding of Israel. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period
Arabs were attacking Jews even in 1920s. Are we going to track who started the first attack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots
UN in the 1940s proposed a solution. Israel accepted and Arabs responded with a War.
The Battle of Tel Hai, which lead to those protests, is a part of the Franco-Syrian war, and not even considered a part of the intercommunal conflict by many.
Ie not related to the conflict we’re talking about.
In the wake of the protests, sheikhs of 82 villages around the city and Jaffa, claiming to represent 70% of the population, issued a document protesting the demonstrations against the Jews.
The leaders of the local Arab community protested the Arab Nationalists, despite the growing Zionism.
You just can’t admit to Israel bearing any part of the blame. I show you history of zionists bombing hundreds of people dead and you think linking a small protest that was barely violent somehow makes the currently ongoing genocide alright?
That kind of willfull ignorance is what enabled the holocaust.
And now you’re proudly displaying it.
It turns my stomach, literally.
You don’t understand that I am not saying “Israel started it”. I’m mocking you for not realising how childish going “but mooooom, he started it” is.
You were the one who stared going into history and it was you who started finding old escalations trying to unsuccessfully prove that it were the Jews who firstly attacked. As you have pointed out, this approach makes zero sense.
In addition, I have never said Israel has no responsibility in this conflict as a whole. They made many mistakes, just like Palestinians.
What I disagree with, though, and pointed it out many times, is, how extremely one sided many of the arguments are.
You didn’t read the last line of my previous comment? Here:
That being said, while the origins of the conflict are clearly multifaceted, the Zionists seem to have a bit more of a… presence in the history books than Palestinian nationalists. The rhetoric of “divine right” versus “but we fucking live here already”.
It’s extremely naive to think that if Hamas were to say “okay, you win, here are the hostages” that this clearly purposeful ethnic cleansing would just stop and all the hostilities would seize and that Hamas somehow had a way to enforce a seize-fire in the first place. You were saying “unironically, yeah, it would”. No, it clearly wouldn’t as we’ve just demonstrated just how far back the conflict goes.
Which, to remind you, is at least 50 years before Hamas was even founded.
“How extremely one-sided many of the arguments are”
You mean like… people saying that no matter what Hamas has done, it doesn’t excuse Israel committing genocide, perpetuating war crimes, breaking basic human rights? Because, that’s not “one-sided”, because no matter what Hamas has done, **genocide is inexcusable. **
So do you think Israel is guilty of breaking international laws and conventions?
Let my start with your question: Yes, it is crystal clear Israel broke international laws. I do not think we have to debate about it.
Despite committing war crimes, it is still their right to defend against terrorists.
Then you also said Israel commits genocide, however, the case still is at ICJ and so far they have not issued a statement that Israel commits genocide, hence it is incorrect to assume they do.
Furthermore, I see Palestinian radicals to be more present in history books than Zionists (at least in middle EU) for organizing a terrorist every once in a while and walking away when possible deals are on the table, EDIT: though this is not completely fair because I see their breaches as equally bad.
Yeah, I knew it, you’re just a holocaust-denier. Ooh wait, no, wrong genocide. Or… was it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_and_the_Nakba
They have issued a ruling, actually.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protection-civilians-enduring-apocalyptic
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/what-has-the-icj-ordered-israel-to-do-on-gaza-war-and-whats-next
“It’s not a genocide, it’s just that our defense minister is yelling about ‘the extermination of human animals’, we’re bombing indiscriminately, having dropped more bombs in a week than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year, killed over 12,300 CHILDREN, keep prisoners naked in cages outside, but it’s definitely just defense that we are entitled to.”
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-palestine-confilct-bombing-gaza-strip-hamas-united-states-isis-2023-10?r=US&IR=T
(sources for the rhetoric and stats on bombs and dead children and abuse of prisoners)
That’s what most Israeli’s sound like. And then you think that people are “one-sided” when they don’t agree with your “NO NO NO NOT A GENOCIDE” delusions?
If there’s no genocide, why did the ICJ order Israel to “do everything in it’s power” to prevent one? Yes, there are still steps before the final verdict can be issued, but pretending you don’t know it is a genocide is downright disgusting.
Yeah, but not if it involves committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing.
Do you understand that no-one purposefully perpetuating a genocide would admit to doing so, obviously?