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“Those who come with wheat, millet, corn or milk, they are not helping us. Those who really want to help us can give us ploughs, tractors, fertilizers, insecticides, watering cans, drills and dams. That is how we would define food aid.” - Sankara
What China can do is help developing nations build out infrastructure and transfer technology to these nations to help them bootstrap their domestic industries. And this is precisely what China has been doing with great success.
It’s always up to the people of the country to improve their own situation, and communism cannot be imposed on them externally. However, countries can help improve material conditions and alleviate the suffering. This is what China does.
Exactly, ultimately what China does is improve the material conditions of plundered global south countries so they’re more likely to take the revolutionary road. China learned from the URSS post-Stalin awful foreign policy.
Please refrain from arguing in bad faith. If you disagree with someone, ask questions and clarify your position. You’re in a dedicated community so don’t assume that people are just going around saying stupid things out of their asses.
Who’s actually assuming China is bringing socialism by building infrastructure? It’s about building productive forces, who else is doing that? Feels pretty insulting to call is a “China simp community”
The “mindset” of the people of these countries is a result of their current stage of development, to get out of that “mindset” they need to develop their productive forces, sure they can do it by “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” but its going to take much longer than with the help of China.
Okay it’s obvious you have not read theory. Through the lens of historical materialism, aka the material conception of history developed with dialectics, we reached the conclusion that production is the chief determinant force of development, quantitative changes in production lead to qualitative changes in society.
The “mindset” from these underdeveloped countries is precisely a product of their underdevelopment, not the other way around like you imply. That is the reason we support China policies on developing global south infrastructure, because developing the productive forces (the instruments and people who carry on production) IS the way to develop society. It is not because we are blindly “chinese simps”.
Obligatory book recomendation, “Historical and dialectical materialism” by Stalin.
To be fair- Russia’s industrial capacity is not what it once was- and what remains, is geared towards something else entirely at the moment. China can provide the ploughs and tractors and infrastructure, wheat (and oil) is what Russia has the means to provide the world, currently.
Part of the whole “shock therapy” was specifically around destroying Russia’s own indigenous means of producing these things (manufactured goods like tractors) and making it dependent on western industry instead.
“Those who come with wheat, millet, corn or milk, they are not helping us. Those who really want to help us can give us ploughs, tractors, fertilizers, insecticides, watering cans, drills and dams. That is how we would define food aid.” - Sankara
That’s where China comes into the picture.
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What China can do is help developing nations build out infrastructure and transfer technology to these nations to help them bootstrap their domestic industries. And this is precisely what China has been doing with great success.
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It’s always up to the people of the country to improve their own situation, and communism cannot be imposed on them externally. However, countries can help improve material conditions and alleviate the suffering. This is what China does.
Exactly, ultimately what China does is improve the material conditions of plundered global south countries so they’re more likely to take the revolutionary road. China learned from the URSS post-Stalin awful foreign policy.
Please refrain from arguing in bad faith. If you disagree with someone, ask questions and clarify your position. You’re in a dedicated community so don’t assume that people are just going around saying stupid things out of their asses.
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Who’s actually assuming China is bringing socialism by building infrastructure? It’s about building productive forces, who else is doing that? Feels pretty insulting to call is a “China simp community”
The “mindset” of the people of these countries is a result of their current stage of development, to get out of that “mindset” they need to develop their productive forces, sure they can do it by “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” but its going to take much longer than with the help of China.
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Okay it’s obvious you have not read theory. Through the lens of historical materialism, aka the material conception of history developed with dialectics, we reached the conclusion that production is the chief determinant force of development, quantitative changes in production lead to qualitative changes in society.
The “mindset” from these underdeveloped countries is precisely a product of their underdevelopment, not the other way around like you imply. That is the reason we support China policies on developing global south infrastructure, because developing the productive forces (the instruments and people who carry on production) IS the way to develop society. It is not because we are blindly “chinese simps”.
Obligatory book recomendation, “Historical and dialectical materialism” by Stalin.
Developing the productive forces is the way forward for any nation, China is providing help in that regard with mutually benefitial arrangements.
Are you against this delivery then?
No but we must be critical of every policy like this, if its not followed by tools and know-how, its just bribery/political capital.
To be fair- Russia’s industrial capacity is not what it once was- and what remains, is geared towards something else entirely at the moment. China can provide the ploughs and tractors and infrastructure, wheat (and oil) is what Russia has the means to provide the world, currently.
Part of the whole “shock therapy” was specifically around destroying Russia’s own indigenous means of producing these things (manufactured goods like tractors) and making it dependent on western industry instead.
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I know, but if aid does not come with the machinery+know-how to prevent future crisis, it is not aid but bribery.
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