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One data point doesn’t make a trend. The Chinese economy isn’t collapsed, but the rate of growth of GDP for China has been negative (rate of growth, it’s still positive growth) since at least 2012 from what I can see. The US rate of growth is fairly static over the same time (a slightly positive rate of growth, but not much), but about half the value of China’s.
That’s only a problem for those who demand exponential growth. And your assumptions are based on the unsustainable model of western imperialism; as China implements it’s green energy, transport, automated agriculture, and housing policies, those sectors won’t need to keep ‘growing’ as they do in capitalist states to prop up GDP. Even if it’s right that if the slowing rate of growth leads to a net GDP shrinkage, it doesn’t portend collapse.
That’s not counting the effect of BRICS+ and the BRI on interpreting GDP. You don’t need such a high GDP when you cooperate with your neighbours, when your GDP isn’t a measure of how much you bully your neighbours and oppress your foreign and domestic workforce.
Many have repeatedly and outstandingly wrongly claimed either bluntly or in what they think is ‘clever’ subtleness that China is about to collapse. Do you really want to be in that crowd when the music stops?
That’s only a problem for those who demand exponential growth.
Dude, GDP only matters for that. I’m not the one who started talking about GDP. Either this thread is useless because the measure (GDP) is useless, or it’s perfectly fine to talk about the context of what the threads about. Either way, it’s the OP you should complain about.
Anyway, China’s GDP is growing at about double the US’s. It doesn’t matter though, right? It’s growing at a negative rate, but it’s still growing faster than almost anyone else, because China('s government) cares about GDP, even though GDP doesn’t help the average person.
This is literally the GDP growth rate. I don’t think you know what you are talking about, but please point us to a definition of the indicator you are talking about as well as to the comparison by country.
I think they’re comparing the 2nd derivative of GDP; the growth rate is the 1st derivative.
The claim is roughly:
The US is growing slowly, but doing so at a consistent pace. It will keep growing 2% indefinitely.
China is growing faster now, but the rate is slowing year over year. They will grow 5% this year, 4% next year,… The implication is that they’ll eventually settle domewhere below the US for (preferred boogeyman reason)
Of course the premise is low value speculation, but the math concepts can be parsed.
yeah they’re talking about the rate of the rate of growth… which maybe helps them with cognitive dissonance by still being able to find some negative thing about why China still seems to be doing just fine
This is IMF forecast data. Check how it looks like for the G7. Spoiler: it’s far worse than this forecast for China. How does the forecast of 1% US growth in 2024 fit into your “stable growth of the US”?
China is still growing far faster than the G7 so you missed the point entirely.
The US is growing slowly, but doing so at a consistent pace. It will keep growing 2% indefinitely.
I’m not claiming this. Nothing can.
China is growing faster now, but the rate is slowing year over year. They will grow 5% this year, 4% next year,… The implication is that they’ll eventually settle domewhere below the US for (preferred boogeyman reason)
Pretty much this, without the boogeyman reason. I’m not claiming a reason. I don’t even think it’ll be below US levels necessarily, but it won’t keep growing as fast as it was. The trend is pretty steady, for the US and China, though things of course change and it’s probably logarithmic I’d guess, not linear. It’ll steady out somewhere. (Edit: Well, it’ll steady out per capita probably, which is part of why GDP is so useless. It’s not measured per capita.)
There’s no need to make things up. Either China (and any other country) can stand on its own or it can’t. People shouldn’t be mislead. Now, I don’t think GDP is that useful, but I didn’t start the thread about GDP.
One data point doesn’t make a trend. The Chinese economy isn’t collapsed, but the rate of growth of GDP for China has been negative (rate of growth, it’s still positive growth) since at least 2012 from what I can see. The US rate of growth is fairly static over the same time (a slightly positive rate of growth, but not much), but about half the value of China’s.
Don’t cherry pick data. It’s not useful.
That’s only a problem for those who demand exponential growth. And your assumptions are based on the unsustainable model of western imperialism; as China implements it’s green energy, transport, automated agriculture, and housing policies, those sectors won’t need to keep ‘growing’ as they do in capitalist states to prop up GDP. Even if it’s right that if the slowing rate of growth leads to a net GDP shrinkage, it doesn’t portend collapse.
That’s not counting the effect of BRICS+ and the BRI on interpreting GDP. You don’t need such a high GDP when you cooperate with your neighbours, when your GDP isn’t a measure of how much you bully your neighbours and oppress your foreign and domestic workforce.
Many have repeatedly and outstandingly wrongly claimed either bluntly or in what they think is ‘clever’ subtleness that China is about to collapse. Do you really want to be in that crowd when the music stops?
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Dude, GDP only matters for that. I’m not the one who started talking about GDP. Either this thread is useless because the measure (GDP) is useless, or it’s perfectly fine to talk about the context of what the threads about. Either way, it’s the OP you should complain about.
Anyway, China’s GDP is growing at about double the US’s. It doesn’t matter though, right? It’s growing at a negative rate, but it’s still growing faster than almost anyone else, because China('s government) cares about GDP, even though GDP doesn’t help the average person.
Doesn’t the US count things like the excessive healthcare costs into its GDP?
This is literally the GDP growth rate. I don’t think you know what you are talking about, but please point us to a definition of the indicator you are talking about as well as to the comparison by country.
I think they’re comparing the 2nd derivative of GDP; the growth rate is the 1st derivative.
The claim is roughly:
The US is growing slowly, but doing so at a consistent pace. It will keep growing 2% indefinitely.
China is growing faster now, but the rate is slowing year over year. They will grow 5% this year, 4% next year,… The implication is that they’ll eventually settle domewhere below the US for (preferred boogeyman reason)
Of course the premise is low value speculation, but the math concepts can be parsed.
yeah they’re talking about the rate of the rate of growth… which maybe helps them with cognitive dissonance by still being able to find some negative thing about why China still seems to be doing just fine
I don’t need to find anything negative with China. I don’t have an issue with China. Look at this graph and tell me it’s going up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263616/gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-rate-in-china/
This is IMF forecast data. Check how it looks like for the G7. Spoiler: it’s far worse than this forecast for China. How does the forecast of 1% US growth in 2024 fit into your “stable growth of the US”?
China is still growing far faster than the G7 so you missed the point entirely.
I’m not claiming this. Nothing can.
Pretty much this, without the boogeyman reason. I’m not claiming a reason. I don’t even think it’ll be below US levels necessarily, but it won’t keep growing as fast as it was. The trend is pretty steady, for the US and China, though things of course change and it’s probably logarithmic I’d guess, not linear. It’ll steady out somewhere. (Edit: Well, it’ll steady out per capita probably, which is part of why GDP is so useless. It’s not measured per capita.)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263616/gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-rate-in-china/
There’s no need to make things up. Either China (and any other country) can stand on its own or it can’t. People shouldn’t be mislead. Now, I don’t think GDP is that useful, but I didn’t start the thread about GDP.
It’s 1 year. The rate at which it’s growing is negative. If the trend continues it goes below US levels fairly soon, though it’s GDP so who cares.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263616/gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-rate-in-china/
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