What sources can I link to people who trust Wikipedia on history and politics, particularly about AES and imperialism?
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I think prolewiki has a good overview: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia
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BadEmpanada’s video where he looks into the citations for Holodomor would have been good but for some reason he decides to cap it off with “Stalin bad” brainworms. I think if someone could turn his findings into an essay it would be neat.
Thank you, will definitely give it a watch. I honestly don’t mind “Stalin bad” because Stalin is a lost cause for the kind of people who rely on Wikipedia. Gotta choose your battles.
On the surface, yes, but also what good Stalin did and to a certain extent can be implemented in the future is very important for political education if you hope to turn your country into a socialist one.
If you won’t believe the truth about Stalin you’re definitely not believing the truth about the Holodomor.
People who believe 95% lies aren’t going to be that much more amicable if we only push to correct 90% of them.
I agree that it is unwise to lead with or bring up Stalin unnecessarily, but I will not tolerate lies about him.
English language NATOpedia has the same “unbiased” views as the corporate media people have always consumed. It doesn’t occur to them that liberal media has a capitalist bias. Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent aren’t in the media literacy curriculum.
Funny thing, the person in question watched manufacturing consent (didn’t read the book) and generally agrees mainstream news outlets are controlled by the capital (in many cases owned by capitalists and run for profit), but considers Wikipedia a step above - open, free, well sourcedᶜᶦᵗᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ, edited by regular people, etc.
Yup, just regular people who’ve been propagandized their entire lives by the hegemonic Global North liberal ideology.
Sometimes they try to explain things to me, as if I didn’t grow up under the exact same conditions as they did, went to the same schools, consumed the same media, and got fed the same cold war propaganda. I know exactly what & how they think because I was them.
Oh this is super frustrating for me too. I’ve only been really considered a communist for like 6 months. So all my friends and family and everyone around me had the exact same opinions as me more than 6 months ago. But now that my opinion has changed on a bunch of topics, all of the sudden they need to explain things like I’m 5 years old. I’m a full grown adult and we’ve known each other for years! You don’t need to explain your perspective to me! I already know it!
I’m an elder gen-x, so if you think they’re doing this because you’re young, I’m sorry to report that it’s not that.
Fair enough! Good to know this isn’t ageism at least.
Curious when we become old enough to have enough experience to meaningfully argue for communism. 24 is still too “inexperienced” to truly understand why communism can’t work and capitalism is the best we’ll ever have.
Been calling myself one for ten years. Been studying it for ten years. Still get told by people who haven’t even left their home state that I’m just naive about the realities of the world. Lol.
Check any “current event” and you’ll see that Wikipedia is the first thing the narrative controllers seek to manipulate
The Grayzone did a deep dive into Wikipedia, particularly its connections to US intelligence and billionaires.
Then again the people who trust Wikipedia will tend to trust it when it says Grayzone is a blacklisted source due to misinformation or whatever.
Awesome, didn’t know that! I’ll look it up and read it for the talking points and sources. Definitely wouldn’t send grayzone links to a liberal, particularly after the COVID debacle.
I would use the same ones Wikipedia uses. Scroll down, find out where the information in the article comes from, and scrutinize those sources.
I dived into the discussion pages for the CPC (it’s CCP on wiki, in the first few sentences they write the official name of the party) and Azov battalion (you can see when the war started, ideas about it being used as russian propaganda and sorta being careful with the article…)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
(this is a joke, but there are some actual references in there for further reading.)