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Return to office to sit at computer on zoom.
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it
I can’t think of a worse marketing strategy for a company that relies on remote work to remain relevant. This would be like if General Motors forced every employee within 50 miles of an assembly plant to ride a bike to work.
We make remote work viable.
NOT FOR US THO LMAO
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That is hilarious
I guess they don’t trust their product.
I mean, it is crap.
It is a gift from the heavens compared to the dumpster fire that is Microsoft Teams Meetings
Zoom app never worked well on Linux and in browser experience was absolute shit.
Sometimes it just wouldn’t start without any error message. 10 minutes before meeting. Fuck zoom.
Teams works even in Firefox on Linux, but desktop client is very solid as well if you’re into that.
My company uses both zoom and Google meet, most meetings are thankfully using Google meet but the occasional ones that use zoom are a headache.
My company uses MacBooks and even then the zoom client has constant failures and it’s hard to get the browser to work.
Basically, it’s not just a Linux problem, it’s the platform lol, but yes agreed it’s a nightmare in Linux as well.
I have the opposite experience, Teams shits the bed constantly, chat is invisible half of the time, audioproblems galore, random hangups. Meanwhile, zoom works perfectly every time
I had the exact opposite experience so bad, my job required me to install Windows after 5 or 6 years.
Essentially, Teams classrooms cannot be larger than 200 people. Since our classrooms were as big as 800 people, Teams have a system like conference. However, it specifically mentions that you cannot create and host a conference unless you are from Microsoft Desktop App.
I resigned a few months later and finally got rid of Windows, but it was a very bad experience for ne.
I would much rather use teams than zoom. But Google meet is the best, can’t believe it was beat by zoom
I don’t have any issues with teams - what makes it a dumpster fire to you?
Thankfully I haven’t used teams for a while, but my main issue with it was that it was trying to do everything poorly rather than one thing well. It’s text chat, video chat, file storage, it had every MS Office product integrated. That meant you had to force your way past a bloated mess to get to the function you needed. The video chat was lacking the options that zoom had. It didn’t have a proper speaker mode at that point, it used phone audio rather than speaker audio, there were less good options for screen sharing(whiteboards ect). It was always slow, memory hungry, buggy and unstable on Firefox/Linux. The desktop app was no better because it’s literally just the web app in electron, but it had the added problem of being very difficult to fully close.
Very glad to be rid of teams.
I feel you haven’t used Teams in years because none of what you mentioned has been my experience starting using teams 2 years ago. (Only point is that I’m unsure about whiteboards, since I’ve never needed to use that)
I don’t think it’s fair to discredit everything I said with “you haven’t used teams in 1.5 years”.
Some of it is opinion " teams is bloated", some of it is a fact “teams is an electron webapp, which makes it slow and inefficient compared to a native app”, some of it is very specific to my setup “teams is broken on my computer with my config of Firefox and Linux”.
I’ve used teams on fast Windows computers with fast internet connections, and it was far less frustrating. Maybe that’s why your experience was better.
Only issues I’ve had using teams are network related. If the pipe ain’t there to handle it, of course it’s gonna act like trash.
What issues have you had? I do everything on there.
I think you meant Microsoft Teams in general.
I hate Microsoft but this is silly. Zoom has garbage ui for chatting or sending files.
Ahaha! Ok…
I mean… as a software developer, Sorry, I will not be returning to the office.
You need me, more than I need you. The market is HOT right now.
Companies will learn, the hard way.
Is the market hot right now? With all the layoffs, the sentiment on blind seems to be don’t try to find a job now
The layoffs were all from the big tech companies, the small ones are still operating as per usual.
Not necessarily. The ones you HEAR about are from big tech companies, but many small tech companies are also tightening their belts to follow suit.
My evidence is inherently anecdotal, but my current (at the time) and previous companies of 100-ish people both also had (multiple) layoffs – more like 5 people each time rather than thousands, sure, and they never hit the news. I reported mine to layoffs.fyi, with the evidence that “company X just laid me off,” and they never posted it.
Zoom is one of the big ones, though, relatively.
They pay big tech salaries. So anyone leaving a job at Zoom would definitely be competing against those 150k who we’re laid off this year.
It’s not as great as it was a year or two ago.
That is true.
Two years ago, if I failed to reach out with an offer within 35 hours of finishing the interview, the candidate had already accepted one of the other two offers.
Today it seems like it can take two months for developers to have 3 competing offers. So if I end up needing to hire this year, I’ll have the kind of leverage that lets me take the whole work week to interview every candidate I want to, before making an offer.
The great news for me is that some hiring managers I compete with saw the layoffs and decided it was safe to reveal themselves as assholes. That’s going to make my job (of stealing their top talent) easier for many years to come, because people have long memories.
I’m turning down recruiters pretty much daily, many offering better pay than my current job. I stay where I am because I like the people I work with.
Nice.
But I have to warn you - you’re playing right into our evil plot of not being shitty bosses. I’ll have to let the secret society of non-asshole managers know that our master plan is progressing.
Recruiters are still flooding my DMs (and calling me) so yeah, the market is still hot.
It’s hot for you but not for everyone.
The tech hiring market is most definitely NOT hot right now. It’s the worst it’s been since the 2008 crisis aftermath.
Obviously there are still things out there but companies are hiring less and the market is flooded with big tech layoffs. Companies are being flooded with applications for available roles.
Startups are also struggling to raise which means there are less new jobs in startups too.
If you’re in STEM it’s really not a problem. I feel for others in auxiliary roles though.
I have over a decade of experience in software engineering and am struggling to find a new job at the moment. Every other time I’ve looked in the past it’s been way easier.
Obviously I could have a job if I wanted, but if you don’t want to compromise on role/pay then things are really tough at the moment.
That’s true. I’ve seen developers wait a month or two for the right offer this year.
In previous years, they usually had 3 mind blowing offers within a week of putting out the word that they’re looking.
Careful, this article might cause irony poisoning
Airbnb tells employees to stay at hotels.
They have to come back to the office, but no getting out of their cubicle to talk. They have to use Zoom for that.
When you really don’t believe in your own stuff…
In other news, a bunch of Zoom employees are easily poachable.
Different circumstances but similarly funny in an absurd way because of how it sounds, I remember reading a news item in the 90s about the time when a riot broke out in a Nerf factory in China.
“THE REAL ESTATE! PLEASE THINK OF HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR THE PRETTY BUILDING!”
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is just to weed out employees so they don’t need to do layoffs. Forcing return to office keeps employees that are “loyal” to the company while potentially trimming down total headcount.
They’ll have a ton of workers who are hundreds to thousands of miles away, housed elsewhere, with kids in school, who will have to quit rather than somehow go to that office, so yeah.
I’ve been saying this since the tech industry has been pushing RTO, I used to work in a large company that hopped on the layoff wave and they were pushing HARRRRDD for RTO. I quit before the bloodbath and found a more fun job :)
Hahaha Zoom about to be btfo by resignations
That’s probably the idea.
Get rid of a load of staff, cut costs, boost profits in the extreme short term.
The problem with doing it this way is that the first people out are the best engineers that can quickly and easily get another job.
Ah but of course, short term gains are clearly better when management can golden parachute away before the consequences arrive…
Ah, but they’re also the best paid.
Double savings.
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Don’t give them any ideas.
Currently looking for another job and EVERY job I have seen that’s hybrid has multiple offices across the country. So basically they make you come into the office to talk to the rest of your team on zoom. Somehow that is more efficient than talking to them on zoom from your house.
That’s pants-on-head level stupidity.
My company is starting to do this as well. They say it’s to “build culture in market”. Really they just want to force you to interact with your coworkers to make things feel less transactional and to keep tabs on people
I’d love to understand the logic and benefit of come two days a week. But the real reason, not the bullshit they say
They’ve invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it’s going to waste.
Also, CEOs tend to be extroverts who want to be around people. They’re also sociopaths who think everyone is like them (or they don’t care what others think).
Combine the two and you get this.
Also no one actually knows how long tasks take.
If you work from home and only work for 4 hours, lots of managers do not know how to tell if that work you did took 8 hours or 4. In the office they have plausible deniability that they saw you there doing something.
I can help you. The benefit is strictly for the maintenance of th bullshit status quo and the logic is, once you’re already coming in two days a week, it’ll be an easier fight to ask for a third. Then a fourth. And so on.
No idea whether it’s their reason, but anecdotally I’ve found it has a few benefits. If coordinated properly it’s significantly easier to train new(er) staff, it improves cross-organisational understanding to overhear other departments’ conversations either at desks or in break rooms, and it stops people becoming isolated pockets of knowledge and culture because they only ever see or interact with the same one or two people.