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          Since when is “rabid dog” an antisemitic dogwhistle? Or is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

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            Since when is “rabid dog” an antisemitic dogwhistle?

            Since anti-semites called Jews dogs in their anti-semitic propaganda dating back over a century.

            is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

            No, use of literary devices to criticize Israel is not an anti-semitic dogwhistle. Specifically referring to them as dogs is.

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                With a very well documented history in anti-Semitic propaganda. We can criticize Israel without using phrases that attract white supremacists to our spaces

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                  What? Dog in reference to “Jewish” people has always been towards the gentiles, it even shows up in the Bible.

                  Dog is a basic insult and not a slur or antisemitic. History and linguistics does not agree with you.

                  Here’s Cambridge even saying the same.

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                    Hey thanks for this. You are correct that I was confused. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

                    The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

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                  Could you provide sources for it being specifically used as antisemitic dogwistle, especially that you claim it’s very well documented? Calling any ethnoreligious group “dogs” is of course not very nice (good that nobody here did it), but i relly never heard of thar particlar insult being specifically antisemitic unlike let’s say “k_kes” or “l_ce” or many others which do have specific context.

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                    I dug for sources and discovered I was wrong. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs, as you said.

                    The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

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              Jews aren’t being called “dogs”. The state of Israel is being called a rabid dog, and rightfully.

              Equating Israel with jewish people is one of the main tools that the PR teams of Israel and the IDF use to protect themselves from criticism of their genocidal expansion project, and you have fallen right into the trap.

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                I’m not falling into a trap, I am asking a member of my community to not use a dogwhistle that attracts white supremacists

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                  Yes, we don’t want to attract white supremacists that may think they are welcome in a place decorated to the brim with hammers and sickles and with a name that uses a suffix most known for being used to name the city of Stalingrad. That is definitely a concern for us.

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              Calling someone a “dog” isn’t a dogwhistle, I think you may be confused.

              Anti-semitic animal based dogwhistles are usually some form of vermin; rats, cockroaches etc. Things that are usually seen as in need of extermination.

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                Hey thanks for this. You are correct that I was confused. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

                The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

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            I don’t expect anyone to cater me. I expect to be able to express my beliefs and lived experience.

            In this case, it turns out my discomfort was based on a false belief. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.

            The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.

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              Speaking of, if you wanted a primarry source of Nazi antisemetism then watch The Eternal Jew. It is a Nazi propoganda movie that a lot of colleges make students watch as an excersise to show the climate of antisemetism. That one uses the rat insult a lot, and has some really traumatizing photage of a dead guy in a ghetto covered in rats as people walk past him.

              Watching that movie was very rough for me but I felt like I left with a better understanding of what living in Nazi Germany was like. I can’t imagine living in a world where something so brutal is just playing in movie theaters.