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sex work is frequently reduced to exploitation when it’s unregulated, but making it illegal doesn’t stop it: it just makes the problem worse
when you regulate sex work (like where i live, in victoria australia) you solve a huge amount of problems. you’re not allowed to represent a sex worker here, so it’s all “sole trader” kind of stuff, or the other kind is working at a brothel which has a huge list of restrictions and you have a proper employment contract with health and safety requirements like any other job
i’m not saying exploitation doesn’t happen, but exploration can’t be stopped so it’s about harm minimisation… legal and de stigmatised sex work means when people make choices to do sex work they’re protected and have plenty of avenues to get out when they need to
*edit: also who is this “we”? don’t talk for people you don’t know… sex work isn’t an issue where i live, and id imagine you don’t have quite the majority you think you do… don’t assume your bubble represents the world
People are choosing to sell their body? Do you really think that just because it is legal that the only people doing it aren’t ones in complete poverty? And secondly, saying that there can’t be pimps doesn’t make it so. Exploitation can be stopped by providing economic conditions where people aren’t becoming prostitutes. Sex work isn’t an issue where you live? That’s such a fucking privileged thing to say. I don’t have a majority of people who oppose exploitation? Well, when I say we, I’m referring to good people
People are choosing to sell their body?
yes, i am, and plenty of my friends do to… we have regular jobs too. don’t be so judgemental
Do you really think that just because it is legal that the only people doing it aren’t ones in complete poverty?
of course not; problems exist everywhere, but we do have a functioning unemployment system which massively raises the bar
it’s also not about absolutely nothing bad happens: no matter whether it’s illegal or not people are going to do sex work… its about harm minimisation and in a system where there’s no stigma, sex workers can seek help without fear of reprisal and have laws that help them
And secondly, saying that there can’t be pimps doesn’t make it so.
true, but i’ve never heard of it being so, and i’ve heard of plenty of other issues with sex work… this just doesn’t seem to be one of them
Exploitation can be stopped by providing economic conditions where people aren’t becoming prostitutes.
or by not stigmatising sex work… sex work, by the way, is the correct term
Sex work isn’t an issue where you live? That’s such a fucking privileged thing to say.
i guess you’re right… i’m privileged to have massive government studies and research in the topic that led them to the conclusion that this was the correct choice, and i’m privileged to live here and to have life experience as a sex worker… i’m privileged to be a sex worker and not have people like you around me stigmatising and contributing to the very issue huh claim to be against simply because of some shitty “morals” which is actually about controlling people’s choices
I don’t have a majority of people who oppose exploitation? Well, when I say we, I’m referring to good people
and there it is… anyone that doesn’t agree with your world view isn’t a good person? jesus christ mate… try living outside your bubble for half a second… turns out the world doesn’t work the way you think it should. turns out problems aren’t black and white, and turns out knee jerk reactions without evidence is a shit way to govern
Sex work is actually a rather wrong term. Work means to sell your labor value which isn’t what prostitution (or “sex work” is) Selling access to one’s body ≠ selling your labor value as they are different concepts. I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t help people caught in it but rather to help, legalization isn’t necessarily the method to go down. It’s one tiny step right now. Eventually we must eliminate it through education and poverty reduction. I imagine recriminalization would be discussed at such a point when it isn’t necessary for poor people to sell their bodies.
i don’t know what else to say here other than to reiterate that you’re provably wrong on all fronts
as i’ve said: i live in a place where SEX WORK is regulated rather than criminalised, and we have significantly lower levels of associated social issues because of it… it’s not a theory, it’s a fact backed up by numerous government enquiries…
in fact, up until a year ago there were more restrictions and they significantly loosened them, because it was found that many of the minimal restrictions were detrimental to protecting people from harm and exploitation
Yet it appears to me that they haven’t addressed if these measures have actually decreased the amount of prostitutes and if that has caused many to get out of it via being “destigmitized” (How in the world it destigmitized it isn’t explained but oh well)
These changes clearly haven’t had an effect then. I also question your safety claims as it seems that safety regulations were being rolled back according to that article you sent
Good for you. We still resolutely oppose sex work due to the fact that it’s mostly from exploitation and that’s what causes it in most cases
that’s just completely ignorant tbh
sex work is frequently reduced to exploitation when it’s unregulated, but making it illegal doesn’t stop it: it just makes the problem worse
when you regulate sex work (like where i live, in victoria australia) you solve a huge amount of problems. you’re not allowed to represent a sex worker here, so it’s all “sole trader” kind of stuff, or the other kind is working at a brothel which has a huge list of restrictions and you have a proper employment contract with health and safety requirements like any other job
i’m not saying exploitation doesn’t happen, but exploration can’t be stopped so it’s about harm minimisation… legal and de stigmatised sex work means when people make choices to do sex work they’re protected and have plenty of avenues to get out when they need to
*edit: also who is this “we”? don’t talk for people you don’t know… sex work isn’t an issue where i live, and id imagine you don’t have quite the majority you think you do… don’t assume your bubble represents the world
People are choosing to sell their body? Do you really think that just because it is legal that the only people doing it aren’t ones in complete poverty? And secondly, saying that there can’t be pimps doesn’t make it so. Exploitation can be stopped by providing economic conditions where people aren’t becoming prostitutes. Sex work isn’t an issue where you live? That’s such a fucking privileged thing to say. I don’t have a majority of people who oppose exploitation? Well, when I say we, I’m referring to good people
it’s also not about absolutely nothing bad happens: no matter whether it’s illegal or not people are going to do sex work… its about harm minimisation and in a system where there’s no stigma, sex workers can seek help without fear of reprisal and have laws that help them
Sex work is actually a rather wrong term. Work means to sell your labor value which isn’t what prostitution (or “sex work” is) Selling access to one’s body ≠ selling your labor value as they are different concepts. I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t help people caught in it but rather to help, legalization isn’t necessarily the method to go down. It’s one tiny step right now. Eventually we must eliminate it through education and poverty reduction. I imagine recriminalization would be discussed at such a point when it isn’t necessary for poor people to sell their bodies.
i don’t know what else to say here other than to reiterate that you’re provably wrong on all fronts
as i’ve said: i live in a place where SEX WORK is regulated rather than criminalised, and we have significantly lower levels of associated social issues because of it… it’s not a theory, it’s a fact backed up by numerous government enquiries…
in fact, up until a year ago there were more restrictions and they significantly loosened them, because it was found that many of the minimal restrictions were detrimental to protecting people from harm and exploitation
https://www.vic.gov.au/sex-work-decriminalisation
i’m not going to reply any more because Brandolini’s law exists
Yet it appears to me that they haven’t addressed if these measures have actually decreased the amount of prostitutes and if that has caused many to get out of it via being “destigmitized” (How in the world it destigmitized it isn’t explained but oh well)
decreasing the number of SEX WORKERS was not the aim, and is honestly irrelevant
it has, however, significantly increased the safety of those doing sex work and allowed them to make choices rather than being stuck
there are other reports and follow ups that go with that piece; that’s just kinda the culmination and the government PR piece
These changes clearly haven’t had an effect then. I also question your safety claims as it seems that safety regulations were being rolled back according to that article you sent