The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.
Welkom in Nederland, moederneuker!
Terlinglijer
Ma naiers!
Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?
You don’t know why someone would use a social link aggregator… and you’re lamenting about this on a social link aggregator.
Why are you here?
These comments are so braindead, Jesus Christ.
Find me easier to access niche communities and I’ll be gone from reddit. I hoped Lemmy would blow up. Instead, reddit just shrank.
Find me easier to access niche communities
Have fun trying to discuss anything that isn’t about linux, american politics or reddit/amazon/elon bad!!. Lemmy is just a decentralized circle jerk.
Well i guess we should have seen it coming right. The people pissed enough with Reddit to leave were most likely to be technology proficient users and bourgeois hating leftists
Some us prefer not drowning in bots and pathologically hostile individuals.
Forgot people whose only opinion is hating the website they’re on.
I do not hate the concept of lemmy and the fediverse, But I’m also not going to pretend that lemmy at its current state isn’t a circle jerk. Lemmy needs more diverse groups of people. Like GrammerPolice said above, most people who migrated from reddit were people with very strong stance on their opinions. And there’s intense hostility to anything that is even slightly against what they believe in.
This is true, but at the same time, your posts on let me don’t get buried as easily. And the karma hear truly doesn’t matter.
It’s mildly frustrating that you can’t post anything that’s even remotely close to positive about any use of AI, or any positive information whatsoever about Tesla over SpaceX without being said that you’re sucking musks cock. But in those respects the only thing different between Lemmy and Reddit is the number of people that will come to your defense, and of course in Reddit if no one comes to your defense your post is basically buried.
You’re all so far less likely to have a reasonable post here removed. Yes it still happens, yes a few of the communities are still moderated by biased enough individuals to delete your content but it’s much less prevalent than it was at reddit.
That said, yeah if you are mostly conservative you are going to have a very bad time trying to soapbox here
Yeah I really wish people in niche communities would just migrate over. I honestly don’t understand why they haven’t yet.
Because Reddit unites everyone with the same interest in a single or at worst few subreddits. Lemmy has over 9000 instances with a bunch of communities each, half of which are defederating the other half without their users even knowing. If we thought reddit search was bad, lemmy search is non-existent. I really wanted lemmy to work, but even for someone with decent knowledge about tech it was a nightmare to figure this out. The main advantage of fediverse which is the decentralization turned out to be its main disadvantage with so much fragmentation and censorship in the form of defederation…
I hoped Lemmy would blow up.
Blow up one server and three new will sprout.
Yeah, Reddit is not the ghost town I thought it would be after the mass exodus.
I don’t get why more people didn’t move to Lemmy or mbin
Because people do not care. It is that simple.
For Twitter it really doesn’t make sense because it has become undebatably a “Nazi bar”, metaphorically since they aren’t an actual bar, but they still support and tolerate Nazis (and other manners of horrible people). Some people insist that it isn’t and there are “normal level headed people there” but that doesn’t matter, it’s still a Nazi bar, because it accepts and tolerates Nazis. How can someone expect to not be judged for going to and hanging out in a place like that?
Why does anyone still use Reddit?
Some niche communities and content to repost on Lemmy
Why does anyone still use Instagram?
Friends and memes to repost on Lemmy
Reddit has an absolutely massive wealth of community knowledge. If you want to find a community for $thing or gain obscure knowledge on $thing, that’s where you go (assuming there isn’t an old forum post from before Reddit killed forums).
Twitter is where a lot of people still are. If you’re the kind of person to care what a particular person says, that’s where you probably want to be.
Instagram is used by young people who have friends on Instagram.
It isn’t a great system, but it is the system that we have today. This is why legislation compelling Meta/Twitter/whothefuckever to act in an ethical manner is important. Social media is to some extent a natural oligopoly, and unless we get extremely, extremely lucky, the fediverse will always be a niche community.
i seen a few people still use it my friend,some random people in a server,etc
What’s wrong with Instagram now?
Centralized and owned by meta. Harvesting your data constantly. Ads upon ads that track you. Proprietary.
Maybe because they just want to???
because their friends are there
or in reddit’s case, because they think their friends are there
Fuck Spez
I agree, but what the Irish are doing is dumb. If reddit it hit with that, then so should Google and the whole of the internet, since everything can get you videos. No one should be in charge of sensoring the internet.
If you want to operate in a country, you have to abide by their laws.
He’s such a disgusting greedy little pig boy who frankly belongs in a deep hole where nobody will find him 🙏
Saddam meme with Sadam crossed out and replaced with Spez.jpg
Interesting given that he is actually preparing for an apocalypse scenario where he hides out in a bunker only to emerge a leader of men.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
Does he know that his net worth will be reduced to either his useful skills, or whatever the next guy gains by killing him and taking his stuff?
Seriously, you better have something real useful for your bodyguards, because they’re probably the first ones that’ll turn on you.
There was some legit talk among the wealthy a while back about how to control their
slavesservants… and the idea of bomb collars was floated…I can’t find the article at the moment (I’ll edit when I do because I’m still looking but my app tends to crash if I wait), but this is all totally on the up and up and it’s really fucking depressing that there are so many articles now about doomsday bunkers for the ultra wealthy… like they could have just pumped that money into fixing things but they don’t want to… sociopaths.
Edit- found it faster than I thought!
Rules for rulers
I love this idea of billionaires making bunkers. Pretty sure I can afford the quikrete and wheelbarrows needed to make this a better world.
Maybe thats what pyramids were for.
If gdog05 can seal the doors, then they would both be tombs.
Pharaos were the OG preppers.
Hey I’ll help fund and work that too. 💪
Absolutely fuck spez.
But he’s right here. Just because he’s a fuckstick doesn’t mean he’s always wrong on every issue 100% of the time.
Various forms of censorship under the flag of ‘online safety’ have been pushed by governments since the internet began to exist. And before that with print media and television. Censorship is not the answer. Never was. First it was for porn, then it was for video games, then it was for hate speech, it’s always something.
But in the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard,
“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.”
Censorship must be opposed.
I think reducing the visibility of some kinds of content can be good, especially for those under 18. E.g. when it comes to content around suicide, I think it is better if children/teenagers see “there is support for you, please speak to a charity for free on this phone number” instead of pro-suicide content.
I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word ‘censorship’.
No, the community needs to cyber bully them off the platform. They need to feel rejection for their words, not censorship. Censorship lets them frame themselves as the victim as they seek out a smaller echo chamber on the fringes. They need to learn their words will turn the community against them
We still have to live with them. We can’t ignore them or silence them - we have to correct them
Who would you have define hate speech in the US? SCOTUS?
Many citizens may agree on the definition, but I wouldn’t trust our government to draw those lines.
Many countries have working anti-hate speech laws. It’s not really a big problem for freedom of speech in those countries.
Except for the countries that have anti-hate laws that are deliberately vague and specifically used to jail anyone who is disliked by the government. China and Russia come to mind as examples, but I’m sure they aren’t the only ones.
Besides hate-speech, I’m not sure how much should be censored really. China does a lot of censoring to ‘protect’ their citizens from everything, I’m not sure this would be a good thing even if that really was a goal.
And protecting children from traumatising content looks like another good thing to do, but under that banner I usually see governments doing whatever they want without caring about children past using their image.
Those countries don’t have partisan polarization propaganda preschoolers writing their legislation.
While often better than in the US, you shouldn’t overestimate the state of democracy in other countries.
A lot of the far right parties in Europe are successfully copying the polarization tactics from the US.
Romania has a law against hate speech
Yep it’s great
Hate speech ✖️
Alliteration ✔️
Simple :)
It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
Yeh, fuck censorship. Let’s all be shitbags and do that stuff instead!
You don’t have to be a porn star or even a porn consumer to oppose laws banning porn.
And you don’t have to be a shitbag to recognize that, while well-intentioned, censorship is still censorship.
I have absolutely no love whatsoever for the people who would spread such crap. I would love to get rid of it. But banning the speech doesn’t do that. It’s like smashing the altimeter in the airplane and then declaring that you’re not crashing anymore. But the reality is, smashing instruments in the airplane is never a great idea whether you are crashing or not. It just prevents you from seeing things you don’t want to. And you get hurt in the process.
Censorship, historically, has never ended up anywhere good.
Porn is performed by consenting adults and consumed by consenting adults.
That’s why porn made from human trafficking, revenge porn (ie leaking nudes of an ex) etc are illegal in most sane countries.
The idea being that porn doesn’t hurt anyone.Hate speech is harmful. It’s purpose is to hurt people.
So yeh, it should be illegal.
I have no issues discussing hate speech. I do have issues with hate speech being used.
To be fair, censorship on Reddit is already very very aggressive. I was banned for saying “yay” on a news thread about the death of the queen.
What a weaselly thing to do
Shut up, Weasley!
Eat slugs, Malfoy!
I was going for a TNG reference. The HP reference was entirely unintentional, though may have been unconscious.
Should’ve been Wesley for TNG. Funny nonetheless. 😂
It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.
Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.
I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!
(I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content? Which they already do for anything that actually costs them any profit).
They would have to hire a shitload of people to police it all along with the rest of the questionable shit on there, like jailbait or whatever other shit they turned a blind eye to until it showed up on the news
Not saying it’s right but from a business standpoint it makes sense
Don’t they flag stuff automatically?
Not sure what they’re using on the backend, but open source LLMs that take image inputs are good now. Like, they can read garbled text from a meme and interpret it with context, easily. And this is apparently a field thats been refined over years due to the legal need for CSAM detection anyway.
They do, but they’d still need someone to go through the flagging and check. Reddit gets away with it as it is like Facebook groups do, by offloading the moderation to users, with the admins only being roped in for ostensibly big things like ban evasion/site wide bans, or lately, if the moderators don’t toe the company line exactly.
I doubt that they would use an LLM for that. That’s very expensive and slow, especially for the volume of images that they would need to process. Existing CSAM detectors aren’t as expensive, and are faster. They basically compute a hash for the image, and compare it to known hashes for CSAM.
Well…the problem is reddit’s size.
I’m not part of reddit anymore because they filtered me out for abusive content.
The content that was so abusive? I told a story on /r/Cleveland about the time 35 years ago I got my bike stolen.
I wasn’t accusing any current reddit user of being the theif. But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.
We don’t even know if that guy who stole my bike 35 years ago is even still alive, much less an active redditor on /r/Cleveland. So who am I being abusive to, when I say it’s a bad idea to let strangers ride your bike without some kind of assurance you’ll get it back?
I got banned when I told a literal Nazi, that said that literal Jews should die, should drink bleach to purify their genes before they contaminated the genepool.
I still stand by it. my grandfather fucked up Nazis, and I’ll fuck up Nazis too.
This is a common tactic. I’ve seen people describe the same process many times before.
- Nazi says literal Nazi shit.
- Person gets baited into responding.
- Person gets ban hammer. Nazi does not.
- Nazi moves on to next target. Repeat from step 1.
They usually trot this out when they see a comment or account they want to silence. That’s how the fascists do censorship on reddit.
It’s happened to me too. Since then I’ve seen people saying the same general thing has happened to them. They must know that reddits content moderators, the “Anti-evil Operations” or whatever bullshit, is on their side. It’s the only explanation. Probably the nazis went and got jobs there. Or maybe it’s just that spez is a nazi himself. Reddit beneath the thin veneer of default subreddits has always been a very right leaning platform.
based
Anarchy in the US baby!
Fair. +1
But also, that just sounds like they’re cheaping out on content filtering. And, you know, kinda broke the enthusiastic community moderation that made it great in the first place.
Yes, that’s true. This all happened like 3 weeks after they went public IPO. I didn’t buy it, because I thought reddit had a decent chance of falling on it’s ass on the free market. It’s a 10+ year old company that’s never made a profit. It’s reasonable to assume it might fail.
3 weeks after I declined, and they went public, I suddenly get 3 temporary bans in a week, and the 3rd one was a permanent ban. All by autobots.
Yeah same here, the last post I made was to argue for more disabled access to European historical sites n the r/europe subreddit.
After everything I’ve posted, THAT is what got me banned.
After loosing my appeal, I changed all my prior posts to AI generated gibberish.
Fuck Reddit, salt your posts so they can’t use your content to make money on search or train AI.
I wish I could, but I have hundreds of thousands if not millions of comments.
Look at my time here, and now look at how many comments I have here, and know that I am running at MAYBE 5% of my posting capacity.
Lemmy just is barren of content if you don’t care about politics, linux, or star trek.
There are some extensions that can edit your comments automatically.
Decepticons probably wouldn’t be any more permissive, though.
Well…the problem is reddit’s size.
They’ve never been shy about targeting certain subs and communities for shutdown when it suits their commercial interests. This has nothing to do with size and everything to do with the nature of the content itself.
These videos are pure clickbait. They feed engagement. They build up lots of enthusiasm both among content providers and active users. And, as a consequence, they make the company money.
But reddit bots flagged me of being abusive to other users.
Bots will flag any post purely based on keyword searches and AI parsing of sentiment. Its got nothing to do with your actual statement. But it also depends heavily on who you are, where you post, and how often other users flag you. Very possibly you simply got “Report” flagged a bunch of times by other users for some reason and that - plus a naive parsing - was all the AI bot needed to know.
But I’ll also bet the post wasn’t getting thousands of unique interactions and external visits. If you’d been a power-poster who was posting a face-cam rant rather than a text blob, I suspect you’d have been fine.
same with me and /r/Toronto got banned for stating a long dead prime minister was horrible to indigenous people. they used the excuse that I was submitting too many articles about crimes in the city as that subreddit’s mods automatically remove any content about crime or pro Palestinian content.
Post god knows how many photos of the CN tower, the fucking sun setting or snow…hey that’s great! anything that’s news worthy and potentially paints the city in a bad light? nope, censored. It’s so bad that i’m convinced the mods there are being paid under the table by the City.
The problem is Reddit’s CEO. Fullstop
I’m gonna have to ask you to stop abusing whatever random reddit mod flagged you back then in case they might be here. Or else.
I hate Reddit as much as the next guy but that just sounds like an asshole mod
In 3 different unrelated subs, and all said to be performed as an automated action?
Also of note, I got permabanned on May 7th.
May 4th I joined Mastadon. Using the same email as my reddit email.
I wonder what the investors like Condé Nast/Advance Publications think of this?
I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently, instead of just… filtering abusive content?
I guess it’s just enshittification. Profits are their first priority.
Probably would require them to actually pay moderators! The horror!
I’m a little surprised to hear people so willing to let the government of Ireland determine who they are allowed to hate and for what reasons.
You are making such a useless point that requires minimal effort or thought. It would be better if you actually shared a tangible concern rather than providing a strawman argument meant to cause an irrational fear in people reading your comment.
For example, you could have shared which group of people you want to be a protected class and is not by Irish law; or which group of people is currently a protected class by Irish law and should not be. At least, then, you would have brought up a real concern about how the Irish government is determining hate speech; because right now, all you are doing is fear mongering.
Because at this point, I trust the Irish government more than Reddit to make proper moderation judgements.
It’s not a high bar, and not ideal… but I feel social media’s raging internal issues have overshadowed the fear of governments worming their way inside, at least in my eyes.
Dear Netherlands,
The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.
Sincerely,
Everyone else
You can almost hear the EU lawyers cracking their knuckles and quietly saying: “about that user data protection.”
Um… Did you read the article? It’s about moving their EU Headquarters from Ireland to the Netherlands. GDPR applied before and after. This is specifically about Irish censorship requirements.
Yeah, moving to the EU to escape regulation doesn’t seem like a smart move.
I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.
All their media is hosted under the redditstatic domain, and as far as I can tell, that’s hosted on AWS. (There’s actually also a redditmedia domain, which they may also use, but that’s also on AWS).
That probably means that Reddit can get away with saying they don’t host any of it. They merely point their web addresses at the third party host.
No, they really can’t. They own and operate the redditstatic domain and rent the server space from AWS. De jure that makes them the hoster.
They are responsible for that AWS account. No court in its right mind would think otherwise.
But they provide the methods of uploading, deleting and viewing the contents of that storage to their end users.
So, it’s Reddits storage.
Not since the last half decade.edit: i read the comment backwards. oops.
You can upload videos straight to Reddit in 2024
Read the comment backwards :/
Decade half last the since not?
Darn you Redditors and your code speak!!Slightly Disappointed But Also Relieved You Don’t Type Like This Anymore Jaden
How Can Capital Letters Be Real If Our Eyes Aren’t Real???
as a connoisseur of science on Reddit, I can most assuredly confirm Reddit does host video content.
Check edit
I never knew so many people lived there.
Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody’s benefit but their own.
It’s no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn’t have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold geographic jurisdictions.
Wait isn’t Ireland an EU tax haven?
The EU has a blacklist of tax havens around the world. And, according to the rules the EU decided, no EU member is a tax haven. 🙃
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_tax_haven_blacklist
Apparently, according to that link, they did try to class Ireland and the Netherlands as “countries with traits of tax havens” but the recommendation hasn’t been implemented. Quelle suprise.
Time for the EU to rip him a new one :)
Time for the DSA and the DMA to be applied to reddit.
Sounds like it’ll need blocked in Ireland then
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Fuck Spez
What’s the joke about? Does Ireland block everything that comes from the Netherlands?
It’s more a “If a company doesn’t comply with a coutry’s regulations then it can’t operate in that country” thing and not a joke.
For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.
With that I agree
For example Twitter when it was blocked in Brazil for a little while because they didn’t want to pay a fine for not complying with some of their regulations.
Though the bigger part of that was that their representative quit, and by Brazilian law, companies that operate in Brazil must have a representative in the country.
Twitter tried to sidestep that by not paying the fine, and also not having a representative, so the fine couldn’t be applied that way. In response, the judge presiding over the cause required Twitter be blocked.
I miss 90’s techno-libertarian utopianism. A little naive in retrospect, but I’m holding out hope that it’ll still have some relevance going forward.
I wonder what they would do if a social platform based on IPFS got popular.
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