Not quite: The people are free to not follow us, if they have some reason to not trust the team anymore. It’s just that where ever they go instead wouldn’t have the same team behind it.
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Not quite: The people are free to not follow us, if they have some reason to not trust the team anymore. It’s just that where ever they go instead wouldn’t have the same team behind it.
I appreciate your feedback, genuinely. Please don’t read the following as me saying you’re “wrong” – I think this is a matter of perspective.
I fully agree: without the community, “unixporn” means nothing. But there is a community. There are people that appreciate the rules and moderation-style we have been providing over the last few years. We’re definitely not perfect, far from it. But we do try to do our best to use our experiences, connections and understanding of the broader ricing community to create a place where creativity can flourish, interesting projects can happen, and people can have meaningful exchanges.
A “brand” in this context, for me, links to the atmosphere and main goals of the community, it is related to the style of moderation that is happening in there. Our “brand” is representative of the trust the current community has in our moderation decisions. We, as a team, “own” that trust by the community, and thus have an obligation to do what we think is right for the community.
No project, not even an open-source one, works without maintainers. You have to have some entity overlooking changes, steering the project. Some entity with a vision. When people sufficiently disagree with the vision or style of management by that maintainer-team, that’s when a fork happens. If you dislike the way the community works right now, dislike the way moderation is done, then that’s when a new community should start. Clearly, some people do appreciate the current unixporn, so if a new community came up with a sufficiently different style, we’d potentially not even have much overlap in userbase. I’m all for a wider range of people getting into the hobby.
Open-source is not anarchy, it’s open collaboration.
We could have most likely handled opening a lemmy community a bit better, I agree. However, I find petty protests to be a questionable response to that, and would rather you continue providing your actual opinions in a format like you just did, helping us do what the community wants and helping to keep us as a community together.
StardustKyun is a moderator of this community
We’re happy to see any community around ricing, desktop customization, linux and art pop up, no matter where or how! However, “unixporn” is not the name of a category of community, it’s the name and “brand” (if you wanna call it that) of one specific community, managed by a specific set of people. Practically, I assume we couldn’t really prevent you from starting your own thing and also calling it “unixporn”, as we haven’t actually registered any trademark (and I don’t think we’d wanna do that, either). However, things such as the logo do have copyrights attached to them, and the current team has explicit permission to use that branding which unrelated communities wouldn’t.
We’re not “telling the community what to do”, we’re telling the people where we plan to continue the community in an official manner.
Very fair point, thanks for your feedback! We’ll definitely try to be more transparent in the future. In this case, I think what happened is that none of the mods saw the existing lemmy.ml instance as something that actually was large enough to matter or that was ever official, so from our view this was less “moving to another instance” than it was “we’ll start out on lemmy.world, those of you that already gathered on lemmy.ml on their own, here’s your FYI that we won’t be going there”.
I can definitely see how it came across differently, and how we might have underestimated the connection people already felt to the lemmy.ml instance. Sorry for that!
(Also a quick note: It’d have been more or less impossible to have this poll on reddit because mentioning lemmy would be likely to give reddit enough reason to yeet the existing team – thus discord is/was the only other official channel of communication. However, even there, we didn’t really make this much of a public discourse, thus this is more of a sidenote than an actual defense)