• ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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    6 months ago

    Yeah so I generally find most of these tactics appropriate and effective for primaries, which has only happened for President. The rest won’t happen until August.

    We are still hard in primary season for the entire House of Representatives, a third of the senate, and like a dozen governors. They all have a calculus to make over how supportive or public they’ll be on issues being protestee.

    Regardless a lot of this judgement should be reserved for the general election. I will be interested to see what the landscape will look like and the rhetoric sound like come September.

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      6 months ago

      All fine and good in the primary but relying on the electoral college and other blue voters in your state to let you send a ‘message’ is dangerously stupid and pointless in any presidential election, and doubly so in 2024.

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        6 months ago

        For the record I have only ever personally expressed how I will likely vote for Biden if he makes it to the general. I just understand the ‘message’ people are trying to send and don’t think it is worth trying to stifle or suffocate.

        (That and I thought Panel 2 was referring to a third party voter at first, but the feathers are already ruffled now.)

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          6 months ago

          I understand the ‘message’ people are trying to send too. I don’t have any capacity to ‘stifle\suffocate’ that ‘message’- but I don’t mind telling them they’re just tossing away their only real political ‘voice’ to shout into the void.

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            6 months ago

            I dunno. Biden went from ‘no upper limit’ on children and civilian death in Gaza and ‘no chance, none’ about a ceasefire to calling for ceasefire a month after the Uncommitted campaign and recently aired conditioning aid. I don’t think it is mere coincidence, but I get there’s strong pushback on that idea. Though I think calling it shouting into the void is a little bit stifling.

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              I think that was in part the change in the ‘war’ and his growing agitation that Bibi was saying one thing and doing another. There are a lot of gears turning to prevent a lot of what we’re seeing, and then you’ve got a single, final soundbite which is all most people know of it.

              I would agree it has had some effect, at least in the messaging. I would disagree we can afford it at this time though. Nationally. With a corrupt demented orange rapist in the wings.

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                6 months ago

                And that’s arguably true: maybe Biden would have done nothing different than he already has if everyone shut up about the matter in Gaza.

                I don’t see it, but I accept that it’s a possibility. I’ll hear that argument.

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              Though I think calling it shouting into the void is a little bit stifling.

              I’m an anonymous stranger on the internet, it’s completely your choice to be ‘stifled’ or not here. That’s kinda pathetic.