please, fandom is one of the worst sites on the internet
When the old school RuneScape wiki moved to a self hosted solution it was night and day the quality difference. I’d argue that OSRS (and probably regular RS) have some of the best wikis in gaming.
The four horsemen of the video game Google search apocalypse are Fandom, IGN, Polygon, and GameRant
Fr. Recently the Satisfactory wiki moved off of fandom and it is already so much better. More wikis need to drop fandom.
But somehow fextralife is even worse.
It used to be so decent, but man, it turned to crap. I hardly recognize what it once was.
Fandom is so utterly annoying with those unrelated videos. Really annoying website.
The old Minecraft Wiki was so great. I was pissed when I heard they got bought by Fandom…
Just whatever you do, do not use Google docs to share information that belongs to a wiki. That’s is by far the most annoying option and 100 times worse than just having to deal with a fandom wiki.
I agree, it’ll also make a mess out of your “shared tab” on your drive. Me opening a document from som random doesn’t mean that I want it to bury the documents that has been actively shared with me, from my wife for instance.
Fandom has been a pretty terrible experience for awhile now. I hope they find a better home.
They should move to Neocities
Looks like the add-supported-free-stuff business model really is collapsing.
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If ad companies would be paid according to customer conversion rate instead of how many ads they spam everywhere, it would collapse within a financial quarter.
Thinking that people support a brand or product that constantly annoys them is next-level stupid, but it’s their main strategy. Google’s conversion rate is less than 4% and instead of realizing that spamming trillions of ads on every site is causing that abysmal rate, they double down and get off to bigger “reach”.
Also, Google lied to customers of their TrueView ads and just presented people muted autoplay ads instead. Here’s an analysis about that.
https://adalytics.io/blog/invalid-google-video-partner-trueview-ads
tl;dr the only one benefitting from ads is Google.
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As aptly explained by writer Cory Doctorow:
Here is how platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
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Unfortunately, for most technology startups there are exactly two ways to pay salaries to the developers: getting investors (which lead to the exact cycle that I explained earlier) or paywalling the site up the wazoo (which leads to the community being necessarily smaller than it could have been otherwise).
Use a hybrid system. Market up until a service reaches a certain size then have government step in as the nationalising buyer to hand over ownership to the company’s workers. A lot these services should be treated as utilities anyway, image hosting has gone through this cycle so many times I’ve lost count and imgur is on its way out too now. It’s a fucking image host, it hosts images. That kind of shit should be a simple public service. It’s a utility of the digital age. Don’t get me started on Amazon reaching a very obvious inevitable saturation point that is based on the size of any given population and the average consumer goods range of a country.
Of course I know this can’t work under capitalism, because the ideology of the capitalists will result in them intentionally fucking this up.
And even with no capitalism involved in the equation, how do we convince the government to get taxpayers to foot the bill for something as mundane as an image hosting service? Especially in an environment where even art and education are being severely restricted in cash flow due to them being “non-essential services”?
In terms of getting that through I really don’t think it would be difficult, the main barrier is ideology as the actual usefulness of it is very obvious and it’s easy to make the historic case that the private sector fails this industry over and over again. The biggest issue you would face is the one of whether porn should be allowed on it or not and I’d expect it to be a “not” outcome even in a socialist government. As for the costs point I don’t see an issue, if they’re profit-driven to begin with then they can run at break-even for government with the surplus either going to workers or going to improvement in quality of the services instead of to the investors.
Ideally I think a hybrid of private an national seems to work best, let the private sector build shit then take the important ones from them. At least while most of the world is still capitalist.
Stardew Valley did the right thing by self hosting a wiki, makes it both official and independent
Several have, including the old school RuneScape wiki!
Now there’s two, and one is far more content full
Fandom wikis are such bloated trash that I will always look elsewhere for info.
fandom wikis half the time are trash and redundant
What’s wrong with Spotify?
Did I miss the reference to Spotify?
The image shows spotify
Exactly this.
When a company can’t expand its market share anymore they will make the product cheaper, worse and more expensive.
For tech this means filling the product with bloat, upping the prices for consumers, and lowering their payouts to creators (subcontractors).
I’m an editor for a community wiki that moved off fandom a few years ago to Mireheze. When the recent discussion about Miraheze shutting down happened I briefly inquired about where we would migrate to, expressing my hope to not return to fandom, and was quite thouroghly assured that fandom is not somewhere that would even be considered returning to. I don’t think I’ve had a single positive experience on a fandom wiki ever, or at least not in over 8 years, with issues ranging from intrusive ads, to the comment section pop in making scrolling inconsistent, to even something as simple as it universally looking fucking ugly, I can’t wait for people to leave and am actively cheering on its slow death as a website.
I’m pleased to hear that they’re moving. Fandom’s had a monopoly on the community-created wiki space for far too long, and it’s had a dire effect on the usability of so many wikis. It’s like they’re trying to make their site everything but a easily usable resource for community wikis.
On a related note, I highly recommend the “Indie Wiki Buddy” extension for Chrome and Firefox. When non-Fandom/Fextralife wikis are available, it’ll direct you to those instead; and when they’re not, it’ll allow you to view the Fandom wiki through a much more usable mirror.
If this was available for FF on Android I would be a happy man. Thank you for your comment though. I installed on my laptop!
You can install any extension you want, but it’s a bit of a process. https://www.androidpolice.com/install-add-on-extension-mozilla-firefox-android/
Thanks! I’ll look into that!
Use android dev or a fork like Fennec, set your own addon collection, then install any addon on mobile by adding it to your collection. Bit more annoying than it should be, but once set up allmost as convenient as on desktop
Going to Fandom is like visiting a annoying dying person because they hold the hidden information.
Good, Fandom’s wiki’s are garbage.
I am an admin on another wiki that used to be on Gamepedia before the Fandom buyout. We forked immediately. I have also been self hosting a wiki for another game since early 2017. Completely worth it. Fandom has always had terrible user experience, and frankly they do not care about their users at all. Maybe their community-level staff do, but definitely not the higher ups. I’ve chatted with them directly when we were planning to fork. They’re only in it for the money, not for the good of the editors or readers. They make ridiculous changes that are great for advertisers but completely subvert the user experience and actual content on the page. They’ve also let go a lot of their staff for nonsensical reasons. I really hope the Minecraft wiki goes through with the fork, and that more and more wikis follow. It’s absurd how much of a monopoly they have, given how awful their service is. I for one will be happy to visit the Minecraft wiki again, as someone who plays occasionally, but not often enough to be keeping tabs on all the new features and updates. But I boycott Fandom wikis on principle so I haven’t been there in years.