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I suppose what I’d ask you is: are you an expert in urban or transport infrastructure? Because, if not — and I say this in the politest way possible — the argument you made was probably a fairly basic one that people have heard a thousand times before. Your gloss of it here as ‘trains cannot replace cars’ suggests to me that you’re not really engaged with the issue (nobody thinks ‘trains can replace cars’).
Essentially what you did is the equivalent of me going into a Christian community and saying, ‘But if God exists, why is there evil in the world?’ as though no Christian had ever engaged with that idea, then acting surprised when people started rolling their eyes at me.
Or conversely, a Christian apologist coming to an atheist community and saying “if god isn’t real why do good things” as if declaring you are a poorly educated sociopath is a good way to challenge people’s well formed ideas.
I’ve spent quite a bit of time trying to explain to some people why “woke leftists” are so quick to shut them up that they feel like they aren’t given a right to speak their minds. “Woke” ideas are generally more developed and complex than “common sense” ideas, which requires some thought being put into them while they evolve from basic to their current level, so when you challenge a person’s developed idea with a superficial, usually knee jerk level question or critique, you’re most likely engaging in a line of thinking they were done with quite early in their evolution of the idea you’re trying to challenge.
I think anyone who has a confirmed political ‘identity’ has almost by definition put more thought into politics generally and the position in particular than anyone who doesn’t have such an ‘identity’. I mean, I’m not conservative, but I imagine if I went to /r/Conservatives or whatever and posted ‘How come you don’t care about poor people?!?!?!?!?’ I’d get much the same eyerolling response as discussed above!
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I suppose what I’d ask you is: are you an expert in urban or transport infrastructure? Because, if not — and I say this in the politest way possible — the argument you made was probably a fairly basic one that people have heard a thousand times before. Your gloss of it here as ‘trains cannot replace cars’ suggests to me that you’re not really engaged with the issue (nobody thinks ‘trains can replace cars’).
Essentially what you did is the equivalent of me going into a Christian community and saying, ‘But if God exists, why is there evil in the world?’ as though no Christian had ever engaged with that idea, then acting surprised when people started rolling their eyes at me.
Or conversely, a Christian apologist coming to an atheist community and saying “if god isn’t real why do good things” as if declaring you are a poorly educated sociopath is a good way to challenge people’s well formed ideas.
I’ve spent quite a bit of time trying to explain to some people why “woke leftists” are so quick to shut them up that they feel like they aren’t given a right to speak their minds. “Woke” ideas are generally more developed and complex than “common sense” ideas, which requires some thought being put into them while they evolve from basic to their current level, so when you challenge a person’s developed idea with a superficial, usually knee jerk level question or critique, you’re most likely engaging in a line of thinking they were done with quite early in their evolution of the idea you’re trying to challenge.
I think anyone who has a confirmed political ‘identity’ has almost by definition put more thought into politics generally and the position in particular than anyone who doesn’t have such an ‘identity’. I mean, I’m not conservative, but I imagine if I went to /r/Conservatives or whatever and posted ‘How come you don’t care about poor people?!?!?!?!?’ I’d get much the same eyerolling response as discussed above!