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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is sharply protesting against growing criticism from top ally the United States over his leadership amid the war with Hamas.
The American public isn’t trying to recall or remove politicians who support unrestricted arms sales to Israel. Both Biden and Trump are for unrestricted sales, it seems.
If Biden wants to ignore the will of voters then he can win his own election without us.
I want Trump to lose too, but Biden has been really insulting to the pro-Palestine voters, which is unlike any presidents before him. He couldn’t even bring himself to acknowledge or pretend to grieve for dead Palestinians although he publicly hugs families of Israeli victims.
That cuts both ways. We don’t believe Biden along with his moderate and liberal voters are taking the threat of Trump seriously when they refuse to compromise with leftists and progressives they’re depending on for votes. If you believe Trump is half as dangerous as you say he is then cutting off weapon shipments is a bargain. Refusing to block strikes is a bargain. Pick a lane.
I agree that the word is appropriate, but it’s also problematic because it has legal definitions that are almost never met. Someone will inevitably argue with the use of the term, and the conversation will be completely derailed by a vocabulary debate
They can argue all they want. I really don’t care.
The legal definitions of genocide are only difficult to meet because they were written by countries with their own histories of genocide. That’s why it’s so hard to prove.
That’s not a standard we need to hold ourselves to.
Because the scale is not comparable. Here, we are fighting in a single city, not across whole Europe, we are not building concentration camps where we are tying together siblings and changing people’s eye colour.
Also, the scale is not comparable and the escalation was started by Hamas.
Out of curiosity, what is the actual limit for an acceptable quantity of genocide? Like, I’m trying to understand if there’s a hard number of murdered civilians that Isreal has to reach before we can make comparisons to the holocaust, or if it’s more just a vibes thing?
Ah yes, I guess this means a “small holocaust” is perfectly fine…
I thought the survivors said NEVER AGAIN. The scale is irrelevant. Israel created one of the biggest manmade famine in histroy at an unprecedented speed. Why destroy all roads and hospitals and stop aid? I’ll let you answer that one.
The US needs to stop funding genocide.
Use the word. It’s important. It’s what it is. This is a modern holocaust happening before our eyes, and we are complicit in it.
How the fuck are ‘we’ complicit in it when our government only follows the average citizen’s will in 10% of their policies?
You’re just like the megacorps chiding us for not recycling our water bottle caps.
The American public isn’t trying to recall or remove politicians who support unrestricted arms sales to Israel. Both Biden and Trump are for unrestricted sales, it seems.
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If Biden wants to ignore the will of voters then he can win his own election without us.
I want Trump to lose too, but Biden has been really insulting to the pro-Palestine voters, which is unlike any presidents before him. He couldn’t even bring himself to acknowledge or pretend to grieve for dead Palestinians although he publicly hugs families of Israeli victims.
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I kind of don’t believe you…
That cuts both ways. We don’t believe Biden along with his moderate and liberal voters are taking the threat of Trump seriously when they refuse to compromise with leftists and progressives they’re depending on for votes. If you believe Trump is half as dangerous as you say he is then cutting off weapon shipments is a bargain. Refusing to block strikes is a bargain. Pick a lane.
I agree that the word is appropriate, but it’s also problematic because it has legal definitions that are almost never met. Someone will inevitably argue with the use of the term, and the conversation will be completely derailed by a vocabulary debate
I just say genocidal actions.
Hard to disagree there
Ignore them. You can’t patent the term genocide
They can argue all they want. I really don’t care.
The legal definitions of genocide are only difficult to meet because they were written by countries with their own histories of genocide. That’s why it’s so hard to prove.
That’s not a standard we need to hold ourselves to.
Comparison to holocaust is a complete exaggeration.
Why?
Because the scale is not comparable. Here, we are fighting in a single city, not across whole Europe, we are not building concentration camps where we are tying together siblings and changing people’s eye colour. Also, the scale is not comparable and the escalation was started by Hamas.
So one is on a larger scale. Ok then it’s perfectly comparable.
Of course, by this logic we can start comparing a murder of 2 people to holocaust because both are murdering people.
Well that justifies your actions completely! Carry on then.
I have not said that. If I murder 2 people, my actions won’t be justified but the comparison to holocaust is completely absurd.
What’s absurd is holding the holocaust to such a standard that we cannot compare it to anything or learn anything from history.
It’s disrespectful to holocaust survivors, this shit I see posted here, especially to the ones saying never again now.
Don’t use the holocaust to make this genocide okay. That’s antisemitic.
So you’re just being pedantic
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
Out of curiosity, what is the actual limit for an acceptable quantity of genocide? Like, I’m trying to understand if there’s a hard number of murdered civilians that Isreal has to reach before we can make comparisons to the holocaust, or if it’s more just a vibes thing?
Ah yes, I guess this means a “small holocaust” is perfectly fine…
I thought the survivors said NEVER AGAIN. The scale is irrelevant. Israel created one of the biggest manmade famine in histroy at an unprecedented speed. Why destroy all roads and hospitals and stop aid? I’ll let you answer that one.
If the scale is irrelevant, then it’s completely irrelevant that Israel killed roughly 30k people because that’s just the scale.
Famine is, unfortunately, not so rare during wars, hence why especially poor regions that have troubles even without a war should not be aggressive.
I think that’s BS. Famine at this scale and speed is not common.
Israel is killing in Gaza at the speed of a large concentration camp at the peak of the Holocaust.
Compare size and population of Gaza and a concentration camp.
If you have enough square miles you deprive of food it’s not Genocide?
The definition of Genocide becomes the most arbitrary set of rules ever according to pro-israelis.
It’s just you compared that the speed of killing in Gaza to a concentration camp. The size and population of a concentration camp is far smaller.
So? Literally one of the worst genocides of this century in terms of speed and impact.
Hey stop being rational, instant emotional reactions only!