• Froyn@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    “I’m not the other guy” is actually a very strong case when you look at the other guy.
    The other guy wanted a “Muslim ban”.
    The other guy has a subdivision in Israel named after him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights

    Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.
    Trump supports Israel because they’re killing undesirables.
    They are not the same.

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      Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.

      That’s not what Biden says…

      He said that when he was a small child and Israel was formed (Biden is literally older than Israel) his dad told him that Israel were the good guys, and had Biden promise to always support them.

      That is why Biden calls himself a Zionist and will always support Israel.

      A promise a toddler made to his farther almost a century ago.

      But hey, that’s just going off what Biden has been saying for decades, and unfortunately we can’t just believe what Biden says. He could be lying or just confused, it’s a coin flip.

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        Let’s simplify the situation for you. Israel has been designated as a U.S. Major Non-NATO Ally under U.S. law. So Biden can say whatever he wants. He is compelled, by US law, to support them.

        But you’re right, we should all vote in Cheeto again who definitely would do better in the situation.

        I get it, they’re both shit choices. Spicy Cuttlefish or Vanilla Bean Paste situation.

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          I don’t know what would be more ridiculous, that you’re right and once someone is a US ally we have to support anything they do, up to and including genocide…

          Or that you know you’re wrong and rationalizing that hard to defend a genocide.

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            Things I have not stated:

            1. We should support anything an ally does
            2. Defending a genocide

            Come back and read the thread once you’ve taken a few deep breaths.

            As I did clearly state “I get it, they’re both shit choices. Spicy Cuttlefish or Vanilla Bean Paste situation.”

            Don’t be angry at me because the system has been fucked since before either of us were born. Russia wants us to be devisive against each other. They want a strong disenfranchised faction of Dem voters to “go against Biden” so that the Russublicans take power again.

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              has been fucked since before either of us were born. Russia wants us to be devisive against each other. They want a strong disenfranchised faction of Dem voters to “go against Biden” so that the Russublicans take power again.

              Agreed

              Which is why Biden needs to stand up to Israel to stop his political bleeding on this and mitigate the harm that has already been done

              Ending Israel’s genocide immediately is the politically pragmatic move. Biden is losing votes and helping Trump by not prioritizing this to the greatest extent possible

              And Netanyahu knows this. And Netanyahu prefers Trump to Biden for innumerable reasons. Which is why Netanyahu has been making the killing as barbaric as possible - it hurts Biden and helps Trump; in addition to it satisfying Likud’s own goals of annexing Gaza

              Likud Israel is not Biden’s ally, and Likud Israel may not even be the West’s ally. Biden needs to immediately reorient our view of Israel or the world will suffer the consequences of a final Trump presidency

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      and because the evilgelical christian nationalists who worship the ground trump walks on supports israel (but they support israel because it’s necessary for the rapture and the return of their god in their death cult, but trump doesn’t know or care about that).