So this person thinks they found a loophole to steal gas and power, and all they have to do is an “I said so” spell, but that the people they’re stealing from can’t and won’t just “I said so” spell right back? “How can I get these people and the cops to stop caring about my theft attempts?”
Special words. Yup, basically the whole principle behind the sovcit movement.
I would argue that the real special words behind the sov cits are “I’ll just need your credit card number.”
Sovereign Citizens are crazy. Who thinks they can live in our society, use the things our taxes built, steal from companies, not follow the rules and laws our society made and just say they are special and get to do it. These people want to be leeches. How about pay your taxes, pay for products and services you use, follow the laws and join the society. We all must live together and there are rules.
Weird how this rant also fits super rich people, politicians, crows and babies
Yeah, fuckin freeloading babies. Crows repay kindness with shiny things though, so I’d take them off the list.
During the snow storm a couple weeks ago, I put a pack of walnuts and dried fruit out for the 3 crows that are always in my yard. The next day they were staring in the window at me so I put another pack out.
That afternoon around 100 crows were on my house pooping on everything. A week later my driveway and deck still have a solid covering of poop that the rain hasn’t been able to wash away.
Keep feeding them and you’ll have a loyal army of crows, and that’s more than worth the cost of peanuts and a power washer.
Isn’t bird poop acidic? Wouldn’t that fuck up your house? Other than that I would love a murder of crows just chilling by me.
It does, except rich people just pay this stuff cos it is negligible. They avoid consiquences by throwing money at their issues in the form of lawyers. (Or just money presented by lawyers).
These poor people have been conned into thinking that the law doesnt apply to them or worse still there is some super secret underground law that only the elite know. Truth is, in civil law with enough money and time there are no consequences because your oponant cant afford to keep fighting, and if they can by the time there is consiquences youve made so much you dont give a fuck.
This is basically the core of Republican ideology. Living off of the benefits of society while claiming to be 100% self made and then destroying the underpinning of that social fabric because it “isn’t needed”.
I mean, you’re also describing the ultra wealthy
They are a bit different, the rich found out how to be leeches while still following the law (or making it seem like they do) whereas these guys are more like both leeching and shouting out loud that they are leeching
On another note it’s kind of nearly impossible to really at all decouple yourself from society. Even as a literal homeless person who is denied every single benefit of society you’re subject to the poaching by tax agencies (I’ve been there. Imagine building up radio tax debt when you are literally live on the streets).
Strange way to spell shoplifters.
Most shoplifters do so out of necessity and desperation because society failed them
If you’ve chosen to steal from someone else, you’ve failed yourself.
Source: experience.
I can almost get it, when I watch the state and federal government take 30 percent or more of the money I earned, so they can give it to clowns like Trump and a Biden to do stupid shit that I don’t agree with. And don’t give me any, “be the change you want to see!”, bullshit either. The fact of the matter is, if you’ve got the millions, you can do what you want, pay the fine, bribe the officials to look the other way, and generally be left the fuck alone. If you don’t, and you’ve never been given the tools and/or opportunity to get out from under living paycheck to paycheck to survive, it’s easy to understand the mental gymnastics necessary to believe in this shit. It’s ignorant speak for, “leave me the fuck alone”. Let me be clear that I fully understand and agree with the idea that this idiot wants to steal from a utility company… I’m just saying, if you don’t have the ability, resources, or education to find a place where you can live “off the grid”, looking for magical solutions isn’t hard to understand.
Shit, Disney trained me to believe that all I need to do is wish upon a star…
Fucking stupid cricket.
This person didn’t learn anything from Native American vs European Settlers history.
I’d hate to live next to someone this deranged fucking with gas infrastructure.
I like how they have a guy who changes the meters.
Imagine what that guy is like!
so now I’m thinking what is the point
congrats, you’re getting there
Sounds like going Solar would actually be a smart option for this person. Not that it isn’t smart for anyone.
Oh but that would cost money to install. Why do that when you can just steal and spew some nonsense about “private” property.
Even if they kept the police off of their property, the power company would just disconnect the wires coming into their property. Even with the sovcit magic it wouldn’t work.
I feel like if you’re gonna go this hard on being a sovereign citizen, you might as well start actually learning and practicing law
Is the logic that at least that way they can be formally disbarred?
Kinda, could definitely be a thing. For me it would be to have an official archived record of my stance versus society by appearing before a judge.
I am not doging taxes, have no intention for personal gain and my free independent will seems to be mostly if not almost entirely according to the most common laws. But there is still systematic harm baked into law and for me it invalidates it from having any value or meaning.
If people can logically reason why i would be in the wrong with something i gladly take the punishment to learn to better myself. But just because the holy book 2.0 says so? Fuck that, I’d radicalize myself Further in prison then pay a small fine i believe to be undeserved.
The sovereign people in the post of this place seem To have no backbone or considered that actions has consequences and to fight injustice is to sacrifice oneself.
Its kinda sad i couldn’t have a proper discussion about this earlier. I am openly asking to be challenged using logical reasoning on why i should comply with systematic pointless harm. But i expect this comment too will be downvoted in silence.
The logic is that government and laws are backed up with the threat of violence. Unless you can beat them with violence, then you have to play within their rules.
At least they have a system of rules you can play within. Think of a place like North Korea. Being a sovereign there isn’t going to get you anywhere but dead.
There are no such things as rights. They are theoretical. Rights are just rules that those with power decided to let you have. Best we can do is try as a collective to make sure that laws provide more good than harm.
So it comes down to what matters more to you: Being right or being free as possible from violence
I understand there are many things way worse then what we have now and in many ways i consider myself fortunate to have the life i have.
“laws are backed up with the threat of violence”
As a pacifist how do i even respond with how much issue i take with that. The word “treat” alone. I do not function like that.
I do make an exception for defensive violence, maybe some other like survival or accidental types of violence, but other than that any use of violent force makes me unwilling to belong to the same group, especially if its systematic, makes me firmly against them.
To me it barely sounds different then sure we sacrifice a newborn now and then but its all in the name of safety you see the gods be mad otherwise.
While i have found a way to be both a member of society (my job provides free healthcare to children) ideology wise i fully resist any oppressive system.
You’re right about rights, though this is a matter of perception. To me rights aren’t something that are given, but things that no one can take from you without being morally incorrect. For example as a living being you require food to survive, to deny you food is to commit an act of evil. So the way i see it you have a right to food. As nuance i’ll add that personally no one is really obligation to respect anyones rights or to be good. But as a social creature most surely understand the value of mutual respect and community.
So the lesser evil is still evil, we can and must do better, move forward as a species.