China has successfully killed THE WITHER!!!
I’m locking this post because there seems to be no way you guys in the comments can have a good faith argument.
The amount of racist white supremacist and capitalist bootlicking lies and reasoning on this page is astounding. TV Tropes are fucking crackers. Maybe edit bomb the page?
I’ve never watched the referenced show, but I read over the TV Tropes page and I’m confused about why you think the page is full of racist / white supremacist content. It sounds like the show does, but the page itself is just a list of tropes that the show employs with a minimal amount of commentary.
Is it a white supremacist lie to say that the show uses this trope?
Always Lawful Good: How America, the Republican party and Falun Gong is portrayed in both here and America Uncovered.
Is it racist to indicate that the show is racist and that it specifically uses these tropes (among others)?
Fantastic Racism: America Uncovered and this show both use racist/sexist/homophobic jokes Played for Laughs.
French Jerk: The stereotype is used as an example when France is brought up.
Greedy Jew: How Jews are portrayed when mentioned. Saul Alinsky and George Soros are both portrayed this way.
The page is critical of the CCP (e.g., see the “Truth in Television” note on the “Commie Nazis” trope), which isn’t necessarily capitalist bootlicking, as plenty of people are critical of the CCP - but otherwise it doesn’t take a stance. It doesn’t explicitly criticize the show for having racist, nationalist, conservative content, but it also doesn’t endorse it. It doesn’t criticize communism, either; it simply says that the show is anti-communist.
What am I missing here?
Did you not read the notes? The page itself agrees with the show that China is a “totalitarian dictatorship” that acts like a “spoiled brat” that imprisons “muh Yoghurts”.
Being critical of the CPC isn’t the problem, the reasons and purpose of the show’s and TV Tropes’ page are. TV Tropes is notorious for spewing the same ass crackkker bullshit about socialist countries and their people being brainwashed, stupid and evil.
Edit: Wow, some Lemmy.world fascist bootlickers are really pissed off.
I did, and if your complaint is just that the page insults the Chinese government, you should edit the post title to say as much. But as it is, that is not what it says. So if you stand by what you wrote, please quote three examples each of the page’s:
- white supremacist
- racist
content. I would ask for just one, but you said it’s “astounding” how much of it there was, so asking for three seems appropriate.
What is this lib shit? If they write unironically about organ harvesting, FLG and Tibet in the second paragraph of the intro, they’re a bunch of racist white edgelords.
“If you dare write about <insert thing that undenyingly happened> you are racist”.
Soon you’ll say nothing particular happened in Tiananmen Square either.
It’s undeniable that China rescued Tibet from feudal pedophiliac slave-owning landlords, and it’s also undeniable that Falun Gong claimed that their organs are being harvested, despite no proof whatsoever, that numerous independent and foreign doctors testified couldn’t have occurred in the manner as described, and it’s undeniable that you believe everything you read instead of checking your sources and interrogating potential bias and and blindly accepting what the U.S. government-owned western news media tells you to believe.
You’re strawmanning, but if you must know, what happened in Tiny-Man Square was a coup-attempt that cost hundreds of lives of civilians after some violent gang members and misled protestors began to attack and stab and burn and shoot unarmed peacekeepers, and the police and military were called in to evacuate civilians, and even the goddamn New York Times admitted mere days after the fact that no massacre occurred inside the square, it wasn’t the police or military who started the fighting, the violence happened in surrounding streets, and that the tanks were rolling back to the square instead of going to it.
It’s not fundamentally racist to insist the Tiananmen Square massacre happened, even though it’s 90 percent horseshit, but it is racist to use it as proof that Chinese people are brainwashed mindless drones because of it.
What is this lib shit? If they write unironically about organ harvesting, FLG and Tibet in the second paragraph of the intro, they’re a bunch of racist white edgelords.
First of all, if you think that criticizing a government for its failings is racist then, simply put, you’re wrong. Likewise re white supremacy. If the government were taking actions that were less favorable to white people and someone were criticizing those actions, then you’d have an argument, but that’s not what’s happening here.
Tibet
I’m by no means an expert but I specifically find your mention of Tibet curious - are you saying that you disagree that the Tibetans have been persecuted? Would you then argue that this wikipedia article is entirely spurious? If so I’d love if you could provide some evidence to back up that claim.
organ harvesting
Just reading over the Wikipedia page, I see that this is contested, but the argument that it has been happening are much stronger, and the only cited counterargument involves the demand for immunosuppressant drugs, which I would be unsurprised to learn that literally any developed nation has the capability to produce themselves.
Why do you think this is false?
FLG
Please, elaborate as to why you think mentioning the FLG is racist.
Fuck your ignorance and wikipedia. You wouldn’t know shit about Tibet or give a fuck.
Bullshit white supremacists dog whistle their asshole attitudes towards colored people by characterizing the “bad” countries as dangerous uncivilized inhumane societies. They always claim it’s only the government being criticized. Doesn’t take much for a racist to slip up and shit on the entire population: the slightest 30 sec tiktok vid will set them off.
Whatever. Enjoy your racist tropes.
It’s pretty obvious that you’re just another of CIA Agent Cayde’s accounts, so allow me to repeat myself:
I’m not interested in talking to a CIA plant, so fuck off.
So, in your mind the CIA is on the side of china…
How is it possible to think that?
No one said it’s racist to criticize a government, you are projecting. It is racist to make up and accuse governments of imaginary crimes, with an air of ethnic prejudice, and claim a government to be guilty of something that it isn’t guilty of, and accuse it’s people of being brainwashed slaves.
Wikipedia is notorious for being used as a fleshlight for the CIA, despite it’s air of alleged neutrality. The site is only edited by a few hundred/dozen editors, who have a track record and openness of rewriting history to suit the needs and propaganda of the imperial capitalist north. The CIA monitors and quickly edits pages, to whitewash Amerikkkan history, downplay the achievements of socialism, and accuse countries hostile to the capitalist west of being guilty of imaginary crimes, using Operation-Mockingbird style reporting.
You’re clearly not arguing in good faith, not that I expected that anyway.
I’m not arguing in good faith because I’ve shared where I got my information from and because I asked you to provide a source backing up your own claims? Yeah, that tracks /s
I provided counterpoints, and you clearly know more than your sea-lioning suggests, you claim to seem surprised at some of wikipedia’s banal and weak and soft-footed criticisms of your racist neoliberal arguments, which means you are lying, since I would expect a raging capitalist drone and sinophobe to know the counterarguments to your “arguments” better than that, or you pathetically easy to manipulate into believing nonsense by capitalist news media.
Anything I point you to, even occasional pieces from the same neoliberal sources, you dismiss out of hand. I’m not your fucking mother.
I just gave you multiple examples in multiple, but especially one of my comments, you capitalist bootlicker. Your smarmy smugness and aloof-acting nature is hypocritical and disgusting. You are spewing racist bullshit and denying it’s racist.
Op is either a Chinese bot account or paid propagandist. We all hate late stage capitalism, but OP is trying to redirect that hate into censoring criticism of the Chinese Communist Party.
Dehumanizing those critical of capitalist media lies and nonsense. “Everyone I don’t like is paid for!”
I didn’t realize that we had capitalist bootlickers like you here. You aren’t a critic of capitalism if you slander and demean China, one of the strongest and only alternatives. I didn’t realize that latestagecapitalism was infested by neoliberal cracker nutcases from lemmy.world
“Maybe edit bomb the page?” Is what gives it away. You’re trying (and failing) to neoturf and mobilize, while presenting zero proof of anything you claim they do.
The fact that you then label me a neoliberal, assume my race is white, and come from lemmy.world (all wrong) further proves that you only have ill intentions.
The page literally says that it agrees with the show, or “muh truth in television” that those who do business with the Communist Party of China never learn, even though by and large the CPC acts with intelligence, reason, forgives hundreds of billions of dollars in loans, is open to extended negotiations and has longer payback times and less interest than “loans” from capitalist nations.
The proof is in their words, specifically their lies and accusations.
If the boot fits. You literally post in other lemmy.world affiliated instances.
It’s like if TV Tropes had a page where they agreed with Fox News that Jewish people are evil, and if I pointed out how racist and stupid and wrong that is, and how it needs to be edited, you crackkker neoliberals would say “you must have ill intentions!”
Keep your projections to yourself. It’s not ill intentions to stand up to racist neoliberal nonsense. Only a racist would say that. And furthermore, I never specified that you are white, though I’m 99 percent sure you are, to be a capitalist supporter, and based off you downplaying racism and reality. Crackerism is a mindset, not a race.
Tell me one single thing they say that is racist.
I guess I need to fucking spell it out for you simpletons. The show and tv tropes argue that China is a totalitarian dictatorship and that Chinese people are too stupid, greedy, or evil to understand it, or are all brainwashed zombies with no free will, intelligence, human spirit, drive or individuality, nevermind the fact that totalitarianism is an idea propogated by neoliberals to falsely equivocate socialism with fascism, and that brainwashing itself is a racist caricature of a very real but popularly dramatized process applied in completely different contexts.
The TV Tropes page endorses almost all of the tropes of the show as being real, despite them being based on racism, lies, and debunked nonsense, such as the lie that China is imprisoning 10 trillion Ughyurs, despite the mountain of evidence contrary, like the fact that multiple organizations of Arabic/Islamic majority countries decry these allegations and support China’s alternate means of fighting terrorism by educating, deradicalizing and setting up therapeutic training centers and schools, enshrining the rights of Ughyur muslims and other ethnic and cultural minorities into law, documenting the experiences off Ughyur muslims that were saved by anti-poverty and anti-terrorism campaigns, and how most of these facilities are now shut down because China is conquering the issue of separatism peacefully rather than bombing civilians, China is hosting traditional Ughyur muslim ceremonies and festivities, protecting cultural artifacts in museums and textbooks, seeking approval and cooperation with Ughyur elders, mandating that Ughyur officials be part of official political bodies, and up until recently being very lax about child number limits for the Xinjiang Ughyur Autonomous Region, and the fact that the original sources for these genocide claims all date back to a sham study conducted by U.S. and Australian-financed “researchers” that only interviewed 64 people with little regard to methodology or sample size, using very leading questions, all relying on completely false allegations from a known Nazi-sympathizing German anti-semite christofascist named Adrian Zenz, and right-wing cults like Falun Gong and the ETIM that were funded by the exact same CIA cutouts that financed Ughyur muslim separatist supremacist terrorist groups all the way back to the 1960’s that eventually joined up with the Taliban and attacked China in the 1980’s-early 2010’s.
I’m sure you’ll dismiss all of this as propaganda, even though even the U.S. government publically admitted it couldn’t find enough actual proof to confirm China of having Ughyur concentration camps, instead of deradicalization and vocational and alcohol and drug abuse rehabilitation centers.
It’s not censorship to criticize slander. It’s not like I’m zipping their mouths shut, which would still be pretty nice anyway. I can’t “censor” anything I don’t have official control of.
What are you talking about? Where is your criticism? “Maybe edit bomb the page?” Is not criticism. It is an attempt at censorship.
“Censorship is when scientists debunk creationism”
💀💀💀💀
It’s OK. This isn’t a nazi-controlled community, you don’t have to cloak yourself in plausibly deniable liberalism to not get banned.
EDIT: Oh. You’re serious? Disappointing.
I had a similar conversation with someone on hexbear and they not only banned me, they blocked my entire instance.
Good. You probably deserved it.
Maybe it’s because you carry an air of neo-fascism around you, that might be a good thing to get checked. Also last time I checked programmingdev got defedded because their instance owner was publicly dying on the hill of transphobic hate. It’s beyond reasonable that any trans-positive instance wouldn’t want to have to engage with that kind of garbage.
Guess who benefit the most from people watering down the terms Nazi and fascist.
You saw someone calling out a literal CCP shill, and immediately thought “he is fascist”.
“Trans-positive” I’m sure trans-people live very happy lives in Russia and China. No forced conversion therapy or threats of violence anywhere .
Jesus fucking christ, you goddamn racist pricks never call the Chinese government by it’s proper name, and it arguably pisses me off more than your racism at this point, it’s called the CPC, not CCP. The CCP hasn’t existed for decades. Despite the Chinese translated name, in English it’s called the CPC. No amount of wishy-washy dick stroking will make the CPC the CCP.
A literal CCP shill? As opposed to a figurative one?
Finally, go fuck yourself. Even if I wasn’t supportive of the CPC, you’re 99 percent a white supremacist neoliberal capitalist bootlicker that thinks you better than the 1.4 billion Chinese citizens that overwhelmingly support their government and state of affairs, which is shown in numerous scientific studies and polls of different sources, all reaching similar approval ratings, so “they are all cowards or evil or brainwashed zombies” can be ruled out. Fundamentally wanting the CPC to be overthrown is racist, given that you want to dismantle what the over 90-ish percent of Chinese citizens like and support. But putting that argument aside, I don’t shill for anyone. Your brain is rotted from being spoonfed by capitalist white supremacist neoliberal media all your life. You claim to be anti-capitalist in your words, yet you don’t have an ounce of humility or reflection in your actions or attitude. You aren’t “calling out” anyway, you are being a racist capitalist douchebag.
China is light years ahead of other neighboring countries in regards to trans rights, you would know that if instead of believing whatever Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, Breitbart, the Drudge Report tell you to think.
people watering down the terms Nazi and fascist.
Literal nazi talking point. Apologize now or block & report. I won’t tolerate that shit and neither will the mods.
I dislike your racism but I give you a modicrum of respect for having a shred of decency to not tolerate transphobia. Edit: Sorry, I thought you were talking to me, not parapol. I thought you were on his side.
Watering down terms is a real thing, and you’re doing it. Now either own up to the fact that by doing so, you are helping nazis become accepted to society, or go cry to your mods and hide your ass behind a block, and pretend nothing happened.
I am neither associated with nor tolerate any form of fascism whatsoever, and you’re trying your damn hardest to associate me with it because you are incapable of imagining that maybe you can be anti-fascist and anti-authoritarian at the same time.
“Apologize now or block & report” is the biggest manchild comment I’ve ever heard on Lemmy, lmao.
It’s not redirection to want to fix lies and problems, you drone.
Shut the fuck up crakkker. It’s not criticism, it’s blind lies and hatred. God forbid that someone stand up to racist propaganda. I guess MLK. Jr. was a Soviet agent then.