I saw @[email protected] 's post and wound up making a larger version of it (with my own changes)
Update- wound up making a expanded version
and a notion of how it would look amidst a better world (not overly serious, borders subject to change)
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You might as well bring back whole Yugoslavia while at it.
I figured it was best to leave the Croats (too much hassle, best left a rump state) and Bosnians be, tbh. In my heart I want big Yugoslavia, but Croats in particular are suspect
I’d include both completely, but would have to think real hard about Bulgaria
Don’t leave Istra out of Yugoslavia. They were really big on antifascism. It’s not right to let them continue suffering for it. At that point you might as well include the Dalmatian coastline and islands. Amazing for the economy, and very low nationalistic tendencies, especially on the islands. And let’s not forget regions of Krajina that weren’t completely ethnically cleansed.
Think about Republika Srpska. Literally today Stuart Peach came out to say that it can’t be independent. Shit’s really heating up
True; in a later post I changed it around- in the more pessimistic/“realistic” map (ie the one built off what you’re seeing here) I had the other former parts of Yugoslavia return, but under UN supervision- and in the optimistic map I simply had Yugoslavia, whole and happy and mostly uncomplicated.
I actually spruced up the optimistic map some since, but figured I don’t want to flood lemmygrad with maps- but here’s the latest version- (also just realized saving in .jpg rather than .png gives just the size decrease along with already heavy resizing, to upload straight to lemmy)
I can’t open the later one, the image fails to load.
UN supervision, now that’s a horrific idea.
I like this one, Yugoslavia strong! Any non-aligned type of alliances?
I can’t open the later one, the image fails to load.
The imgur link or the uploaded file? Just in case, here: https://imgur.com/a/A6D7fkj
Any non-aligned type of alliances?
Admittedly didn’t think of non-aligned movements too much in this case. Heavily aligned movements (a communist, anti-imperialist bloc or two, pan-Africanism, pan-Indigenism, pan-Arabism, pan-Celticism)? Sure. Internationalist countries and a global effort to prevent imperialism from reemerging, or western revanchism to cause trouble? Also definitely, sure. But in these scenarios where the west is decidedly out of the game for the foreseeable future- I’d like to imagine, perhaps in real life as well, that a large and common focus would be keeping them there.
UN supervision, now that’s a horrific idea.
Thanks! I had a lot of fun adding it to places, TBH. I figured in borders that would no doubt leave a lot of people angry (not to mention the indigenism and de-Nazification programs underway) such a world would certainly need it. In the “pessimistic” version of the map there are 90 UN mandate regions labeled in total (and 1 African Union mandate), though these labels range from areas as large as Australia, Poland, and the southern half of Quebec, to as tiny as… the Aland islands, London, or a containment zone around Washington DC (most of the areas are approximately Netherlands-sized).
There are also 8 “international cities” (in other circumstances, I likely would have placed a whole lot more), all of which are UN mandates- in my imagining of it, those cities would be under permanent UN governance, with open borders to literally anyone from across the globe- London, Manchester, Birmingham, Paris, the Vatican, NYC (renamed for indigeneity), Washington DC (the aforementioned containment zone), and… Lisbon, because I felt I wasn’t balkanizing Portugal near enough, with just cutting off the Algarves. I had a lot of fun imagining the tantrums that would ensue from that as well. One can assume these to be sanctuary cities, on speed and steroids, but with the humanistic element of no longer being run by neoliberal ghouls which probably comes out as far more than a win.
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Yes, ha ha ha… YES!!!
Thx for fixing up Spain, that first one weirded me out.
Valencianos would like to have a word with the person who put Catalunya all the way down to Alicante…
Imperialist Catalonia strikes again smh
Good point, I changed it in a later version of the map. What’s important (well, not all that important) is that Spain proper stays landlocked, lol…
Hoi4 gamer understanding of geopolitics lookin ass map
If the geopolitics for most of these states seem terrible- that’s the point lmao
The goal among various things, is to make western Europe never rise again as an imperialist bloc, with it being an eyesore on a map and its borders having some plausible logic (to keeping states from either imploding or reunifying… well, there are a lot of UN mandates)
So many UN Mandates…
Reeducation isn’t going to come easily 😊
Also, if it helps diversify regions more, having hundreds of thousands if not millions of UN peacekeepers and other staff around… all the better
Weird Yugoslavia not including most of actual Yugoslavia.
Based to remember Sorbia
Galicia-Volhynia is not the best term to refer to the most of eastern Europe.
What about Switzerland?
Switzerland’s borders were unchanged, so I didn’t bother coloring it in or labeling it tbh (also, Galicia-Volhynia is only referring to the specific westernmost regions of Ukraine)
Most of eastern Europe (and western too) is in urgent need of denazification though. Overall map needs more labels.
Fair- I agree tbh. I’d say I was simply being lazy in that regard (mapchart, the site I was using, with the NUTS2 map didn’t go into detail about Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and Norway among other countries, so rather than go through the hassle of, say, overlaying the map with borders in a different program and from there tracing out different regions I’d want to cut out- I just left them empty, minus the denazification/vague territorial change circles in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (all of which I’d have made far smaller) and western Ukraine.
The US and Japan look interesting. Is that a split Philipines I see? Did the prison colony become more or less cringe? India also seems different.
edit: You cheeky bastard! You split Germany up even more, but Swabia still has to suffer Western Germany.
Prison colony definitely became less cringe. As for Swabia, my bad lol, I’ll deal with it when I eventually get to another iteration
Can I ask why Lisbon is it’s own thing?
Because it’s funny. And Portugal being left alone (other than the loss of the Algarves and various islands) didn’t seem fair
That’s fair lol. The Açores are finally free!
Why doesn’t the UAR include all Arab countries?
The map was made with “drawing borders on the present (2023) world” in mind, admittedly. So I simply didn’t think to include them for similar reasons to why I didn’t include all of former Yugoslavia, or remade the Soviet Union… Egypt and the Gulf presumably would need a lot of time to settle into the idea (Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait would too, but it “works”)
Tsh. Nearly the whole continent needs “undergoing denazification” subtitles. 😅Otherwise amazing!!
Why on earth does Holland gain territory? Colonial bastards should be balkanized themselves.
I figure they’re small enough as-is… but more than that, specifically it’s the logic of passing little bits of Germany (or Croatia, as another example on the map) to get as many nations invested in stomping out German revanchism wherever it pops up.
Giving the region to the Netherlands also isn’t without cultural or historical precedent, which makes it better yet still.
