• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    5 months ago

    “Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe”

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves on either count.

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      yeah and im a big supporter (well relative to what I see on the internets) but obviously all of it is not attributable to him. All the same there have been more things that actually improve my quality of life over what any other president has done in my lifetime and all in one term with an adversarial congress. I loved obama but man he wasted a nice majority trying to play fair with a bunch of known cheaters.

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        5 months ago

        I mean, Biden has the ‘bipartisanship’ disease too. But I certainly won’t pretend that he’s done nothing.

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          well you have to compromise to some degree but man obamas first term he was bending over backwards to get their input and sign off and they still fought everything he did tooth and nail. He figured it out his second term but had lost the majority at that point.

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      Also it’s been proven presidential policy has little to do with economic outcome and unemployment rates. Honestly any president other than Trump probably would’ve caused an economic upturn due to the unpredictability of Trump. Also the pandemic being SOMEWHAT over has more to do with unemployment than Biden.

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        Fewer people looking for work because they realized that working a minimum job is worse than not having a job also lowers unemployment.

        And a lot of old people finally retiring.

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        The fed playing with interest rates certainly has and has had a direct and measurable impact on the current economic situation.

        You can argue that the fed is independent from the president, but the fact is they generally do whatever the president suggests.

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      He’s actually done the exact opposite when he directly refused to supply Ukraine with long range missiles early in the conflict, when they had the manpower and logistics to attack Russia directly. But instead he doomed Ukraine to a war of attrition what they can’t possibly hope to win without a serious import of soldiers (which isn’t happening). Biden handed Ukraine to Russia.

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        hindsight is 20-20, and even then i’m not sure that would have been the right choice

        back then we there were a lot of people legitimately very worried that russia would use nukes if they felt “cheated”… international diplomacy is a tricky shit show of a game. who knows what would have happened