Medics have now said that an Israeli airstrike in Khan Younis in southern Gaza killed 23 people, bringing total Palestinian fatalities overnight to more than 100, Reuters reports.
I wonder at what point the people who claim this is justifiable retaliation will admit that this has gone far beyond anything that could possibly be justified?
Nothing like self defending against a refugee camp on Christmas Night.
The entire “saving the hostages” narrative is already being fully dropped and it’s just “we gotta destroy all ‘hamas’ infrastructure”.
Articles from even mainstream medisbare coming out that the Hospitals had no Hamas bases or tunnels underneath them at all.
But the guys defending the IDF won’t stop no matter how much evidence is presented to them so it’s pretty likely they’ve got financial motivation.
Exactly. And when the IDF themselves are killing hostages waving white flags, this is not about the hostages.
Probably never? Sounds like any critique is spun as being “Hamas propaganda”. No logic allowed.
Probably. It was sort of a rhetorical question. Once you excuse genocide, you’re never going back.
The latest military line is essentially “Hamas operates where people are concentrated so we need to kill all the people and their families and genocide all of Palestine to remove Hamas”…
INCLUDING THE HOSTAGES! That’s the craziest part! They aren’t even worried about killing the hostages they claimed were the whole reason this started!
I’m probably one of those people. The threshold between legitimate and illegitimate war won’t be resolved until after the conflict, since the fog of war guarantees we have no way of knowing the full true picture of why these civilians are dying. You may have biases that make it easier for you to make that decision yourself, but no real knowledge is gained that way.
This is not about numbers, it’s about the end goal. About what a victory of each side would look like. So I’m still (rather blindly, admittedly, but that’s how it is for you as well) on the side of the more modern and liberal civilization that did not start the war.
Meanwhile, the war that spunned the Gaza war in addition to a whole lot more bullshit around the world, i.e. Russia’s unprovoked attack on Ukraine is still raging on. And it’s not looking good right now for the civilized world. Given how it’s much more important a war, and given how Palestine has chosen to support the wrong side of it, it’s easier to support Israel in Gaza.
we have no way of knowing the full true picture of why these civilians are dying
Let me clear this one up for you, they’re dying because Israel is killing them.
Nope.
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Are they civilians or Hamas fighters?
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If they are civilians, are they being used as human shields?
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Is Hamas killing them and reporting them as killed by IDF?
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Are the figures correct?
Not clear at all, as you can see.
No, this is created obfuscation in an attempt to justify what’s happening. Ask yourself, if Isreal wasn’t continuing this onslaught, would these people be dying? That’s the clarity.
If Hamas hadn’t attacked on Oct 7, would these people have died? No, they wouldn’t.
If Hamas surrendered, would these people continue to die? No, they wouldn’t.
If Israel hadn’t blockaded Gaza for a decade and a half, or occupied Palestine for 75 years, or or or. We can play this game for eternity, or look at the reality that people, actual people not abstract arguments, are dying. And that needs to stop.
actual people not abstract arguments, are dying. And that needs to stop.
I agree on that. What I don’t understand is why it’s considered more Israel’s than Hamas’s responsibility to stop the war.
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Yikes. A brutal, vicious attack to see.
Israel is commiting genocide.
Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal…?