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Anthony Sabatini, who is running for Congress in Florida's 11th district, reportedly made the remarks during June's Florida Teenage Republicans Youth Summit.
Okay, we aren’t talking about “severely mentally ill students” (which, as far as I know, public schools are still required to take), we’re talking about any and all special needs students, which charter schools can turn away.
And I haven’t told any anecdotes about charter schools. I am talking about what all charter schools have the right to do, but, as far as I have ever heard with the apparent exception of your district, public schools have to take all children regardless of their level of educational aptitude.
Originally passed in 1975, the Education for All Handicapped Children Act (EHA) — frequently referred to as Public Law 94-142 — requires that all public schools accepting federal funds must provide equal access to education for children with physical and/or mental disabilities.
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Public schools are required to create an Individualized Education Program (IEP) for each student who is found to be eligible for special education services. IEPs must be designed to meet the unique educational needs of that child in the least restrictive environment appropriate.
Equal access doesn’t mean not segregating. My mom and one of my friends work in different districts(in different states) at specifically special needs schools. Because the district thinks it is better to segregate special needs students
Who said anything about segregating? Of course they get segregated to special needs classes. This is about whether or not schools have the legal obligation to accept students at all. By law, all public schools must accept special needs students, so the district is violating the law.
No, segrated by schools, not classes. And again, this issue could be resolved by simply passing a law requiring charter schools accept any students that apply randomly(which is not what schools in my district did- but regardless) would you then support them?
No, but for other reasons. Namely that I do not think education should be a for-profit enterprise. I do not believe that everything in our world should be a business or run like a business. Certainly not schools or prisons. We owe children more than that.
I certainly cannot agree with you that children who don’t want to learn should be allowed to avoid it. Children’s brains are not fully developed. They do not know what is best for them or how to make the best rational choices. This is why we don’t allow children to consent to sex, something I hope you would agree with.
I am assuming from your age that you are not a parent, but even if you are, your child is unlikely to be of school age. I have a 13-year-old. Sometimes she doesn’t want to learn. I still make her learn because she also sometimes doesn’t want to shower or eat properly and I make her do those things for the same reason. I want a child that can do whatever they want in life, not live some short, unhappy life because they made bad choices as a child.
Namely that I do not think education should be a for-profit enterprise.
That’s an understandable position, I don’t agree but I understand your position on that.
They do not know what is best for them or how to make the best rational choices.
The problem is nobody can know what’s best for someone else.
This is why we don’t allow children to consent to sex, something I hope you would agree with.
The difference is opting into something vs opting out of something, it is much easier to make the decision of opting out rather than opting in- as well as significantly less harmful. Furthermore, in the case of sex the child is being exploited- it is disgusting to compare this.
Sometimes she doesn’t want to learn.
Do you think you are ever at points pushing her into the life you want for her rather than what she might want? Furthermore, do you think its fair to generalize the experiences of other people’s children to force your child to go somewhere for 13 years of her life? I think its important in an individualist society to recognize whats good for some, or even for the majority, shouldn’t be forced on everyone. I think exercise is good for the vast majority of people- its not my place to dictate that decision for others though.
I want a child that can do whatever they want in life, not live some short, unhappy life because they made bad choices as a child.
Except for the first 18 years of it. I believe that most children want to learn if they can be convinced it is useful and interesting- same as adults. Public schooling doesn’t offer that.
For more info on that, Against Schooling by John Taylor Gatto, although I don’t agree with all of it. I also generally agree with Ivan Illich’s proposal for how consensual schooling could work in Deschooling Society.
I didn’t say that?
I said that severely mentally ill students were put into separate schools.
Well the exact same thing could be said about any anecdote about charter schools.
Okay, we aren’t talking about “severely mentally ill students” (which, as far as I know, public schools are still required to take), we’re talking about any and all special needs students, which charter schools can turn away.
And I haven’t told any anecdotes about charter schools. I am talking about what all charter schools have the right to do, but, as far as I have ever heard with the apparent exception of your district, public schools have to take all children regardless of their level of educational aptitude.
Do you have any source for individual public schools(not a district) being able to turn away special needs students?
Again a district yes, an individual school no.
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https://www.umassglobal.edu/news-and-events/blog/special-education-laws
So if you are correct about your district, what they are doing is illegal.
Equal access doesn’t mean not segregating. My mom and one of my friends work in different districts(in different states) at specifically special needs schools. Because the district thinks it is better to segregate special needs students
Who said anything about segregating? Of course they get segregated to special needs classes. This is about whether or not schools have the legal obligation to accept students at all. By law, all public schools must accept special needs students, so the district is violating the law.
No, segrated by schools, not classes. And again, this issue could be resolved by simply passing a law requiring charter schools accept any students that apply randomly(which is not what schools in my district did- but regardless) would you then support them?
No, but for other reasons. Namely that I do not think education should be a for-profit enterprise. I do not believe that everything in our world should be a business or run like a business. Certainly not schools or prisons. We owe children more than that.
I certainly cannot agree with you that children who don’t want to learn should be allowed to avoid it. Children’s brains are not fully developed. They do not know what is best for them or how to make the best rational choices. This is why we don’t allow children to consent to sex, something I hope you would agree with.
I am assuming from your age that you are not a parent, but even if you are, your child is unlikely to be of school age. I have a 13-year-old. Sometimes she doesn’t want to learn. I still make her learn because she also sometimes doesn’t want to shower or eat properly and I make her do those things for the same reason. I want a child that can do whatever they want in life, not live some short, unhappy life because they made bad choices as a child.
That’s an understandable position, I don’t agree but I understand your position on that.
The problem is nobody can know what’s best for someone else.
The difference is opting into something vs opting out of something, it is much easier to make the decision of opting out rather than opting in- as well as significantly less harmful. Furthermore, in the case of sex the child is being exploited- it is disgusting to compare this.
Do you think you are ever at points pushing her into the life you want for her rather than what she might want? Furthermore, do you think its fair to generalize the experiences of other people’s children to force your child to go somewhere for 13 years of her life? I think its important in an individualist society to recognize whats good for some, or even for the majority, shouldn’t be forced on everyone. I think exercise is good for the vast majority of people- its not my place to dictate that decision for others though.
Except for the first 18 years of it. I believe that most children want to learn if they can be convinced it is useful and interesting- same as adults. Public schooling doesn’t offer that.
For more info on that, Against Schooling by John Taylor Gatto, although I don’t agree with all of it. I also generally agree with Ivan Illich’s proposal for how consensual schooling could work in Deschooling Society.