• masquenox@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    “you and yours”

    Oh, sorry… did I not make myself clear? You and yours refers to apologists for white supremacist settler-colonialism. Did that clear it up?

    but by the desire for safety.

    Bullcrap… I guess you didn’t know that Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, did you? Do tell, genius - was the original Zionists motivated by some (alleged) “desire for safety” or were they motivated by bog-standard western antisemitism?

    Spoiler alert - it’s not the former.

    Today, I agree; Israeli treatment of Palestinians is clearly apartheid,

    No - it isn’t. Comparing Israel to Apartheid-South Africa is actually softballing it. The Apartheid-regime could only dream of doing the stuff Israel does on a regular basis and getting away with it. If the Apartheid-regime had treated Soweto the way Israel treats Gaza the Apartheid-regime’s end would have come a whole lot sooner. It would have been a whole lot bloodier, too.

    The current conflict is a product of British mismanagement of Mandatory Palestine

    Again… bullcrap. I can literally google Ben-Gurion and produce a laundry list of his quotes that demolishes your argument - the white supremacist settler-colonialist state the Zionists wanted (both Christian and Jewish) was planned as a white supremacist settler-colonialist state right from the start. Birtish colonial mismanagement was only a temporary obstacle for them… that is it.

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      Bullcrap… I guess you didn’t know that Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, did you?

      It doesn’t. The religious-academic roots of Zionism in both religions go way back. Jews were resettling from Europe to Ottoman Palestine in proto-Zionist migration as early as the 1500s.

      No - it isn’t. Comparing Israel to Apartheid-South Africa is actually softballing it.

      Well, then you should try reading the second part of that sentence before you have a heart attack from being so triggered.

      I can literally google Ben-Gurion and produce a laundry list of his quotes that demolishes your argument

      Yes, Ben Gurion is one of those hard-liners who is responsible for the deterioration of Arab-Jewish relations in the 1920s. I wouldn’t go so far as to say his views represented the whole of Zionism prior to or during WWI. The situation was salvageable until Britain gave up.

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        Even Israeli historians will happily blow your garbage alt-history out of the water for you.

        “The idea of the Jews returning to their ancient homeland as the first step to world redemption seems to have originated among a specific group of evangelical English Protestants that flourished in England in the 1840s; they passed this notion on to Jewish circles.” - Anita Shapira

        Even right-wing Israeli historians doesn’t claim anything that can be called “proto-zionism” with a straight-face that existed before 1860, genius.

        Well, then you should try reading the second part of that sentence

        So which part of…

        No - it isn’t. Comparing Israel to Apartheid-South Africa is actually softballing it.

        …are you having a hard time comprehending?

        Ben Gurion is one of those hard-liners

        In other words… just a Zionist that was schooled in the white supremacism, antisemitism and colonialism of “western civilization” - just another bog-standard colonizer who happened to be Jewish.