seems like the ‘safe’ public opinion is ‘we stand behind israel’ and the left opinion is palestinian support

i don’t live there i don’t have any particular interest or fascination with the region i don’t understand any of this pls don’t yell at me

      • radix@lemm.ee
        14·
        1 year ago

        Probably by fighting actual soldiers, not bombing civilians and kidnapping children.

              • radix@lemm.ee
                7·
                1 year ago

                I don’t know enough about wars to say there was any that was completely squeaky clean, but there’s a spectrum. Like, Britain killing Germans in WWII probably wasn’t as bad as what Japanese soldiers did in Nanjing. It was bad, but not as bad.

                  • radix@lemm.ee
                    4·
                    1 year ago

                    I suppose so. Still, Britain could have fought fair, on the battle fronts, after evacuating civilians. They weren’t wrong for fighting WWII in the first place; they were wrong for how they went about it.

                    One point I saw elsewhere in this thread is that Western military support makes it such that if Hamas were to create actual military posts to fight a fair fight like I was imagining, then Israel would just bomb those places and that would be that. No more armed struggle by Palestinian forces because there would be no more Palestinian forces. So the only way for them to have a chance is to fight dirty, hiding among civilians and such.

                  • dumdum666@kbin.social
                    23·
                    1 year ago

                    With exactly the same argument (Hiroshima/Dresden) Israel could flatten Gaza because „war“

      • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
        5·
        1 year ago

        So, specifically palestinians in general?

        I think based on what little I know of the region and the style of invasion, guerrilla tactics would likely be ideal. Finding some sort of ally on the global stage to help them argue their case against israels abundant political backing. Make the occupation as inconvenient for israels government as possible, while doing everything they can to shift the global publics opinion into sympathy for their fight.

          • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
            6·
            1 year ago

            The current engagement bombed a music festival.

            That is absolutely part of armed struggle. Look at ukraine, and how its usage of global opinion saved it from a 2 week slaughter fest by giving it the backing of US intelligence. Ukraine perfectly demonstrated how, if you are the underdog losing the war, being able to shift global public opinion of your situation can literally save your life.

            Instead, they alienated every nation who had a civilian at that event, gave israel an excuse to declare war and openly genocide their people instead of hide it in inches, made it racially charged by immediately releasing a statement blaming zionist jews and calling for jewish extinction, and gave their political opponents across the globe free and easy ammunition to shut up any pro palestine rhetoric or talking points.

            Hamas really fucked up. They gave anti palestine sentiment a free scapegoat target. They are lucky spain is taking the charge to try and distance palestine from hamas on the global stage, because its going to be even harder to shake israel of its massive global backing that it relies on in order to hold on to power.

            I sympathize with palestine. Israels government is run by monsters. But this action may be the spark israel needed to burn palestine to the ground, and its very very very hard to un-bomb civilians.

              • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
                4·
                1 year ago

                Hahahahahahaha, what??? Proximity to a prison doesnt make it a military target. They would have fucked up just as bad if they attacked the prison. Civilians are still civilians even when you disagree with how they spend their time. Unless you think the bombing of hiroshima was justified?

                You were already given an answer. Repeating the question means I will repeat my answer. If you dont understand how the global stage is now a part of armed warfare, you are behind every armed force on the planet.

                  • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
                    4·
                    1 year ago

                    Because that was not a guerrilla tactical strike? Nor was it accidental? It was a war crime.

                    They intentionally targeted civilian gatherings. Thats not armed struggle, thats cold blood killing.

                    Are you claiming the US was justified in its atomic bombing of hiroshima? By your given criteria, it also falls under armed struggle. Do you not believe it was a war crime?

      • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
        31·
        1 year ago

        Without raping and murdering civilians, to start? Fuck Israel, but that doesn’t make Hamas the good guys.

          • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
            41·
            1 year ago

            Oh fuck off with that hexbear lemmygrad shit. I’m not talking about war as some nebulous concept, I’m saying raping and killing civilians is bad regardless of if you’ve been wronged or not. If that’s a controversial opinion to you, I have nothing more to discuss.

              • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
                41·
                1 year ago

                Ah yes, I forgot about that time Churchill bombed a German music festival and raped the survivors.

                See, that’s the exact kind of whataboutism I’m talking about. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and frankly I suspect the only reason you give a shit is because hating Israel is such a hot tankie talking point right now.

                Let me guess, Palestine needs to throw off its oppressors, but Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a totally justified military operation?