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You are convoluting two things. You say that not burning the Koran would be a sign of adhering to conservative muslim ideas of society. But it is a sign of adhering to the principles of democracy and human rights to prevent the abuse of freedom of expression for inciting hate and threatening a minority.
Nah, I just value freedom of expression over the right of religious people to not be offended.
There is no right to threaten people and incite violence against them.
And there is no right to be not offended. What about drawing the Prophet? And again - existence of LGBT+ people offends conservative muslims, as well as women having basic human rights - so where do you draw the line? You dodged that question.
burn a straw figure
Are they burning straw muslims? You also dodged that question. I’m slowly getting a feeling that you are not really interested in engaging in a conversation.
you are clearly trolling so i end it here. You are ignoring the key issue, that burning a symbol of a group is always meant as a threat against the group. It has nothing to do with feelings of being offended or freedom of speech or whatever you try to justify your hatred with. If you defend the burning of symbols of a minority it is an expression of your hatred against that minority.
Sure, it’s me who is trolling - not you who constantly is not engaging with the arguments I made.
you try to justify your hatred with.
And for some reason you also get personal. I don’t hate muslims, I don’t like fundamentalist of any kind and I think organised religion is an obsolete concept that mostly brings suffering into the world, while at the same time I respect every humans personal faith - as long as they tolerate me and others.
If you defend the burning of symbols of a minority it is an expression of your hatred against that minority.
Nope. I don’t even have to agree with actions - but I can think that people have the right to do them. This concept is called tolerance - you should try it some times.
But I also have a question for you to think about - who is offended by burning of Koran? Secular, moderate muslims or fundamentalist? Maybe you are the one missing the point, the guy burning the book is trying to make.
Nah, I just value freedom of expression over the right of religious people to not be offended.
And there is no right to be not offended. What about drawing the Prophet? And again - existence of LGBT+ people offends conservative muslims, as well as women having basic human rights - so where do you draw the line? You dodged that question.
Are they burning straw muslims? You also dodged that question. I’m slowly getting a feeling that you are not really interested in engaging in a conversation.
you are clearly trolling so i end it here. You are ignoring the key issue, that burning a symbol of a group is always meant as a threat against the group. It has nothing to do with feelings of being offended or freedom of speech or whatever you try to justify your hatred with. If you defend the burning of symbols of a minority it is an expression of your hatred against that minority.
Sure, it’s me who is trolling - not you who constantly is not engaging with the arguments I made.
And for some reason you also get personal. I don’t hate muslims, I don’t like fundamentalist of any kind and I think organised religion is an obsolete concept that mostly brings suffering into the world, while at the same time I respect every humans personal faith - as long as they tolerate me and others.
Nope. I don’t even have to agree with actions - but I can think that people have the right to do them. This concept is called tolerance - you should try it some times.
But I also have a question for you to think about - who is offended by burning of Koran? Secular, moderate muslims or fundamentalist? Maybe you are the one missing the point, the guy burning the book is trying to make.