• yeahiknow3@lemmings.world
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    22 hours ago

    True, I don’t like it when animals suffer. So there’s a bit of a paradox at play here. To the extent that they are animals, I do not wish them to suffer. But to the extent that they are rational creatures, or persons, then their choices were evil and they deserve to suffer. So the only way that I can feel pity for them is to strip them of their rational autonomy and personhood and treat them as mere animals (granting them pity).

    Is that what you think I should do? Regard 80% of humanity as little more than amoral apes with a tenuous grasp of language? Well, that might be the truth.

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            22 hours ago

            I think my argument is fairly solid. Your demand for pity pretty much requires me to treat them like helpless animals.

            I’m open to change my mind on this.

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              21 hours ago

              It’s not pity. It’s empathy. It’s what you lack.

              It’s the ability to say, if this were me this would suck. If this were me I would be devastated and even though the consequences are of my own making I wouldn’t mind if someone lent me a hand.

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                22 hours ago

                Either they’re moral agents, in which case they’re evil, or they’re just animals.

                If they’re evil we should not be empathetic.

                If they’re mere animals, we should be empathetic.

                You want the latter, right?

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                    21 hours ago

                    These “people” are trying to destroy the planet, where I live, and you’re upset that in their greedy rapacious behavior they’ve caused their own houses to flood… And I’m not sufficiently empathetic to them for doing that? They’re trying to kill me. These are my mortal enemies! What empathy do you think these monsters deserve?

                    Unless of course they’re helpless animals, like bears following their instincts.

                    It’s like a rapist who accidentally shoots himself in the dick instead of his victim and then you chastise us that we’re not empathetic to the rapist.

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                    21 hours ago

                    Humans can be blamed for doing evil things. These people eat meat. They torture billions of innocent fellow creatures to death annually to satiate their gluttony causing global warming which has now washed away their dwellings. What is the correct response from me? You want me to feel bad?