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I was on it myself for 4 years. And thank god too, as I got into a nasty car accident when I had it.
There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.
The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.
Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.
A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system
Just because it was watered down by the republicans doesn’t make it not “progressive”. It was “progressive” compared to the other option, which was literally not having any sort of health care coverage/insurance. Things are never that binary.
Remember Obama started with Universal Health care at some point and we ended up with ACA, which is still a win.
I’m talking about progressivism as a defined political ideology, not a vauge statement of making progress.
Obamas healthcare plan was inherently neoliberal, which is a centrist, or even center-right ideology. The market exchange is a capitalist solution to the problem that the health care companies can profit from
It’s no secret the Democrats aren’t exactly left leaning by global standards, in reality they are a center-right party that mainly still practices Neoliberalism
The conversation is centered around whether Obama was a progressive. He was not.
Progressivism isn’t just confined to the US, so yes people are talking about progressivism with the full context of the global political spectrum in mind.
But even within the US, Obama is nowhere close to a real progressive like Bernie Sanders, who has been consistently fighting for leftist values for decades.
I realize what you’re doing, but I’m questioning why are you viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies? How is that relevant to viewing whether a policy was beneficial terms of actual progress or not? It’s actually hurting your opinion and outlook since you’re now attributing terms that have a different meaning in contemporary discussion and discourse as opposed to it’s classical definition.
Being a progressive does not have a different meaning in contemporary discussion. Progressivism doesn’t mean something different in the US. The US has leftist progressives like Bernie Sanders.
You are all strawmanning me and trying to make it seem like I’m saying Obama made no progress, when I’m saying Obama wasn’t a progressive.
We are talking about politics. Political ideologies are obviously going to be a part of the conversation. Quit acting like bringing them up is “viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies”. You just aren’t versed in political science.
Here is a page about progressivism specifically in the US if you want to learn more:
JFC dude. Read the room. I’m not arguing whether you’re right or wrong, but it seemed like you implied that Obama didn’t make progress because you called it “right-wing”. Like previously stated, terms have different meanings/connotations depending on context. Yes, even in contemporary discussions whether you agree with it or not. So people corrected you, rightfully so.
That said, I see where you were coming from and don’t disagree with the point you’re making.
And, no shit political ideologies are going to be part of a conversation when we’re talking about politics, but what I’m saying (again) is stop going off of wikipedia because you can’t get your point across effectively anymore and it’s diluting you’re messaging.
Can’t believe I have to spell all of this out for you.
Lastly, I see that you’ve just discovered “political science and ideologies”, but don’t assume others on the same plain as yourself. Some of us have been doing this longer than you’ve been alive.
Huh
There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.
The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.
I was just speaking to my personal experience.
The ACA was literally a right wing health care plan proposed by the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.
EDIT: Not to say it didn’t help people, I’ve also benefited from it, but it’s not exactly progressive
EDIT 2: This is not my opinion, Obama said it himself. Here is a source:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
Hih
Obama has said it himself on multiple occasions
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.
A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system
Just because it was watered down by the republicans doesn’t make it not “progressive”. It was “progressive” compared to the other option, which was literally not having any sort of health care coverage/insurance. Things are never that binary.
Remember Obama started with Universal Health care at some point and we ended up with ACA, which is still a win.
I’m talking about progressivism as a defined political ideology, not a vauge statement of making progress.
Obamas healthcare plan was inherently neoliberal, which is a centrist, or even center-right ideology. The market exchange is a capitalist solution to the problem that the health care companies can profit from
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
It’s no secret the Democrats aren’t exactly left leaning by global standards, in reality they are a center-right party that mainly still practices Neoliberalism
Huh
The conversation is centered around whether Obama was a progressive. He was not.
Progressivism isn’t just confined to the US, so yes people are talking about progressivism with the full context of the global political spectrum in mind.
But even within the US, Obama is nowhere close to a real progressive like Bernie Sanders, who has been consistently fighting for leftist values for decades.
Hih
I realize what you’re doing, but I’m questioning why are you viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies? How is that relevant to viewing whether a policy was beneficial terms of actual progress or not? It’s actually hurting your opinion and outlook since you’re now attributing terms that have a different meaning in contemporary discussion and discourse as opposed to it’s classical definition.
Being a progressive does not have a different meaning in contemporary discussion. Progressivism doesn’t mean something different in the US. The US has leftist progressives like Bernie Sanders.
You are all strawmanning me and trying to make it seem like I’m saying Obama made no progress, when I’m saying Obama wasn’t a progressive.
We are talking about politics. Political ideologies are obviously going to be a part of the conversation. Quit acting like bringing them up is “viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies”. You just aren’t versed in political science.
Here is a page about progressivism specifically in the US if you want to learn more:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States
JFC dude. Read the room. I’m not arguing whether you’re right or wrong, but it seemed like you implied that Obama didn’t make progress because you called it “right-wing”. Like previously stated, terms have different meanings/connotations depending on context. Yes, even in contemporary discussions whether you agree with it or not. So people corrected you, rightfully so.
That said, I see where you were coming from and don’t disagree with the point you’re making.
And, no shit political ideologies are going to be part of a conversation when we’re talking about politics, but what I’m saying (again) is stop going off of wikipedia because you can’t get your point across effectively anymore and it’s diluting you’re messaging.
Can’t believe I have to spell all of this out for you.
Lastly, I see that you’ve just discovered “political science and ideologies”, but don’t assume others on the same plain as yourself. Some of us have been doing this longer than you’ve been alive.