• trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted, that was one of the most disappointing parts of it.

      She could have tried to wriggle around it a bit more rhetorically but she just went “I’ll bang my head against the wall with Israel just like we’ve been doing till now.”

      In general it was a pretty bad showing from Harris, and Walz did only a bit better.

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        2 months ago

        The downvotes are because that topic matters a lot, but it’s also used to try to force people to become single issue voters, so they’ll vote against her, all the while knowing that Trump loves genocide too, but let’s not mention that.

        So if you wanna attack Harris on that issue, please do. You should. But remember to include Trump’s stance as well, if you’re trying to talk about an upcoming election.

        Or hey, do whatever you like, right? It’s just that simplistic comments often get simplistic responses (i.e., downvotes).

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            2 months ago

            I generally consider Republican candidates and ideas non-starters. Not even worthy of consideration. When I criticize Democrats, the “Trump is not an option” is implied.

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              2 months ago

              But then your comments are identical to those posted by people whose goal is to undermine democratic support through single issues in order to create voter apathy and let Trump win.

              It’s not the message people are downvoting it’s the effect. If you don’t do anything to separate your message from this type of malicious attack, it’ll unfortunately be taken as that.

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                2 months ago

                You’re making bold assumptions about people based simply on the fact that they are criticizing the people currently in power for what they’re currently doing. That’s your fault not theirs stop doing that

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                  I’m not assuming anything.

                  The right is attacking the left to try to reduce voter turnout. They do this by criticizing Democrats for “not being left enough” even though they are the most viable leftish option and the Republicans are worse at that exact thing. They’re doing this all over the world right now but just in the US. We HAVE to stop this attack.

                  When you criticize the left for not being left enough without adding nuance or adding that the right is much worse on that topic, you’re either purposefully or accidentally participating in the attack whether you like it or not.

                  No criticism, just facts.

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                    2 months ago

                    A criticism of the Democratic party is not automatically part of a right wing tactic, you’re making that assumption. That’s in your mind only and not in reality.

                    Chastising people for ever giving criticism to the party you support makes you insufferable and makes your party seem like a cult where no questioning is ever allowed.

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              2 months ago

              Because everyone who is interested enough in politics to discuss it online is either voting for him or aware of that fact already.

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                2 months ago

                So? If one of the 2 outcomes will inevitably come true, we really cannot talk about one without at least weighting the other

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        i mean, it was a pretty bad show in terms of the one question she was asked. I’m not really sure why that’s surprising to people.