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If you’re not eating a processed plant based meat, so like just having tofu or seitan, you’re better off. But the processed patties are not great like any other processed or deli foods
The article you linked debases the study it is about because the study classifies cookies, wine, beer, chocolate bars and pizza as plant-based and then proves they are bad for you (shocker). While my study compares meat replacements with the meat they are replacing which is what we were discussing.
And still your study declares it is healthier to be vegan:
for every 10 percent increase in consumption of foods that were not ultraprocessed but still plant-based—such as pasta, beans and potatoes—the risk of heart disease fell by 7 percent, and mortality did so by 13 percent.
I wasn’t saying it’s unhealthy to be vegan, I said the processed vegan patty looked disgusting and I stand by it. When you make a patty with ground beef or chickpeas/lentils it’s a much less processed and healthy product. I listed two articles, both which say processed foods are bad, regardless of being vegan
This is something I can’t get my head around… why is fat bad? Why is saturated fat bad? I mean chemically - like trans-fats are totally bad for you because they molecularly bind to nasty stuff that makes you sick, and cholesterol appears “big” and “small”, where the “big” is the good cholesterol.
But less fat in regular products generally means that they added stuff nobody needs, like sugar and ingredients with more syllables than Indians have names.
I’m vegan and I am so sick of this argument. Who’s eating burgers to be healthy? The last thing I’m thinking about when buying Beyond burgers is health. 😂
And still, if you are so inclined, you can buy healthier similar products or make them from scratch with simpler ingredients like TVP, pulses and gluten flour.
Burgers can be healthy, it’s just meat and salad on a bun. What’s unhealthy about a burger, you can make them easily at home using ground beef, or ground lentils
But using it as a reason to be against veggie burgers is lame. You never hear “I’m in the mood for something healthy, maybe I’ll make hamburgers.” Honestly, who cares? You don’t see people doing this with ice cream or chocolate because we already know it’s unhealthy, but for some reason it’s super necessary to diss veggie burgers because they’re unhealthy.
Processed patties are unhealthy though, regardless of being vegetarian, vegan or omni. You’re better off making patties from scratch, and you can have a healthy burger. People associate burgers with being unhealthy or junk because burgers are staples in fast food chains. But burgers made from scratch are not unhealthy lol. Yeah, eating too much red meat can be an issue, but minced chicken or chickpea burgers with patties made at home? You can have those daily if the calories match your macros and TDEE
I’m not talking about whether whatever specific one you conjure up is healthy or unhealthy, I’m talking about people who diss vegan/vegetarian ones right off the bat as if “normal” burgers are (generally) healthy.
(It gets even more stupid, most people that do this have no problem plowing through a Triple Whopper every other day.)
And they look pretty nasty, some of them. Currently it’s healthier to eat non plant meat, but it would be great to have healthy plant based options
Edit it’s mostly the refined oil and salt content
What do you base that on?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9235150/ This study shows meat replacements have less fat and saturated fat and when the meat is salted it is almost always more salty than the replacement.
Saw this earlier this year, https://lemmy.world/post/16397773?scrollToComments=true
There’s also this new study, but don’t know if there were any conflict of interest shenanigans https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-a-study-on-ultraprocessed-fake-meat-and-heart-disease-really-found/
If you’re not eating a processed plant based meat, so like just having tofu or seitan, you’re better off. But the processed patties are not great like any other processed or deli foods
The article you linked debases the study it is about because the study classifies cookies, wine, beer, chocolate bars and pizza as plant-based and then proves they are bad for you (shocker). While my study compares meat replacements with the meat they are replacing which is what we were discussing.
And still your study declares it is healthier to be vegan:
I wasn’t saying it’s unhealthy to be vegan, I said the processed vegan patty looked disgusting and I stand by it. When you make a patty with ground beef or chickpeas/lentils it’s a much less processed and healthy product. I listed two articles, both which say processed foods are bad, regardless of being vegan
This is something I can’t get my head around… why is fat bad? Why is saturated fat bad? I mean chemically - like trans-fats are totally bad for you because they molecularly bind to nasty stuff that makes you sick, and cholesterol appears “big” and “small”, where the “big” is the good cholesterol.
But less fat in regular products generally means that they added stuff nobody needs, like sugar and ingredients with more syllables than Indians have names.
I’m vegan and I am so sick of this argument. Who’s eating burgers to be healthy? The last thing I’m thinking about when buying Beyond burgers is health. 😂
And still, if you are so inclined, you can buy healthier similar products or make them from scratch with simpler ingredients like TVP, pulses and gluten flour.
Burgers can be healthy, it’s just meat and salad on a bun. What’s unhealthy about a burger, you can make them easily at home using ground beef, or ground lentils
But using it as a reason to be against veggie burgers is lame. You never hear “I’m in the mood for something healthy, maybe I’ll make hamburgers.” Honestly, who cares? You don’t see people doing this with ice cream or chocolate because we already know it’s unhealthy, but for some reason it’s super necessary to diss veggie burgers because they’re unhealthy.
Processed patties are unhealthy though, regardless of being vegetarian, vegan or omni. You’re better off making patties from scratch, and you can have a healthy burger. People associate burgers with being unhealthy or junk because burgers are staples in fast food chains. But burgers made from scratch are not unhealthy lol. Yeah, eating too much red meat can be an issue, but minced chicken or chickpea burgers with patties made at home? You can have those daily if the calories match your macros and TDEE
You’re totally missing the point.
I’m not talking about whether whatever specific one you conjure up is healthy or unhealthy, I’m talking about people who diss vegan/vegetarian ones right off the bat as if “normal” burgers are (generally) healthy.
(It gets even more stupid, most people that do this have no problem plowing through a Triple Whopper every other day.)
Eh, depends which plant-based alternatives you go for