• BoofStroke@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Maybe in a true democracy. No more gerrymandered districts, ranked choice voting, and term limits would be a good start. Let’s kill citizens united while at it.

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      1 year ago

      In a true democracy, we’d have direct voting.

      Which I’m a huge fan of. Not sure why we’d vote for people who won’t agree with us on everything when we can just vote ourselves and get true representation.

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        I’d prefer a republic, what the hell do I know about complex foreign policies with the relationship between Sudan and Egypt, or which tax policy will spur economic growth?

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          That’s fine. Just don’t complain when the people you elect go against what you think is right.

          Personally, I think direct voting would result in people voting for the matters they care about, while ignoring the ones they don’t.

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            Nah, I blame the Republicans for most of the nations current woes since, you know, they tend to be behind most of them.

            Plus, how can you see how the average American acts and think we’re still good for a democracy? We need a more fitting class of people to rule, as Adams and Hamilton envisioned it.

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              What do you think should be the criteria to be included in “a more fitting class of people?”

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              Republicans are mostly to blame. Democrats are just the lesser evil.

              Lo’ and behold, evil is still evil.

              It doesn’t make sense to support the lesser evil when you could support no evil at all.

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                Aren’t you so lucky to be someone who can choose to sit on the fence and not suffer the consequences. Do you understand idiotic that statement is?

                Jesus Christ, I hate to do Godwins Law here but just because when you have one side that is Nazi Germany that wants to dominate the world, kill all the undesirables, all that good stuff. Then you take a gander at the British; sure, they are a world colonial empire that deserves to be shattered but they are a democracy that DOESN’T dream of world conquest and killing everyone on earth, so any nonbraindead person would pick the side of the “br’ish”.

                And you, over there just sitting there thinking “heh, one side has a small amount of evil while the other is the embodiment of evil so I’m going to do nothing.”

                Sure, an extreme example, but the principal is the exact same.

                Take Civil Rights, just because sometimes the civil rights people may be annoying and rarely takes a few things too far DOESN’T mean they’re the same as the horrific segregationists and the KKK, who’ll kill and lynch whoever they don’t like.

                Please, grow and learn.

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                    what do you call someone who teams up with Nazis because they want to maximize their chance of holding onto power?

                    The Soviet Union?

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                  Imagine going “My choices are between the Nazis or the British Empire” and thinking the answer is one of them and not burning the whole thing down if that’s the best it can offer you.

                  You get what you settle for.

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                  Between their shenanigans in India and Ireland the British empire was arguably worse than nazi Germany lmao what a dumb analogy

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                    You really are a dumbass, aren’t ya? Making an argument that the Nazis were all that bad.

                    I suppose that’s fair, any concession, no matter how small, will constitute a defeat to your side so you must stand your ground and defend the undefendable.

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                  Calm down. I stopped reading as soon as you came at me with animosity.

                  If you want me to take you seriously, talk with less emotion and more logical reasoning.

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      I disagree. Fundamentally we have the final authority to elect our representation. Collectively we decide (and are ultimately responsible for) who is elected to office. Districts don’t vote, and corporations don’t vote. The people do.

      It is the collective responsibility of those not disenfranchised or otherwise excluded from the political system to rectify those problems. Failing to address those problems (or any political problem) isn’t a failure of the politicians–it’s a failure of us, as a collective, to choose the appropriate lawmakers. Especially when we repeatedly elect the same people over and over.

      I know it sounds naive to frame the system this way. But fundamentally the political system operates under the collective authority of voters.