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I tried revolt and… It sucks. None of my friends are on revolt. None of my bots work on revolt. Same with matrix. Matrix is horrible for large communities where discord offers inheritable permissions, forum channels, channels that only some users can see, its just not the same use case at all.
Also please link the original YouTube link. I don’t like invidious, I have my own preferred frontend. Don’t force people to use the frontend that you like. I use freetube, which is just as private and better for my needs. But I can’t automatically open freetube if you don’t link the original YouTube link. Same with people who use literally any other frontend than invidious.
I’m still keeping up the Invidious link since exactly in the Privacy community rules, it says that there can’t be any links with any major tracking requests on it. You can easily just change the link yourself if that’s the case.
If none of your friends are on revolt or matrix, that’s an issue on your end. You can just make your own rules and ask people to contact you on only private platforms or via email. Which is exactly what I’ve done when I was migrating from Discord to Revolt.
However, if you absolutely have to use Discord, which I wouldn’t recommend, the least you could do is disable the diagnostics and only use it in a private browser or a open source client like Datcord or Spacebarchat.
I run a large community, it’s not just a matter of asking people to contact me elsewhere. You can’t uproot a community and bring it somewhere else, and I wouldn’t be able to at all because of matrix’s and revolt’s lack of permissions systems, bots, and other things that are unique to discord. I would welcome a viable alternative. I’ve spent many hours trying to make matrix work with the functionality I need, and it’s simply not possible.
As far as the link goes, I’m not sure if those rules mean the links themselves must not contain tracking, or that the website on the other end must not contain tracking. You can have youtube links that themselves have no tracking information in it. You can’t just ban links to any site with tracking, you’d just have nothing you can link to.
Edit: the rule also says “isn’t great”. That’s not the same as “isn’t allowed”. Forcing someone onto a frontend that either doesn’t work for them or is annoying to use I think is worse than letting users redirect themselves using a “tracking filled website” link.
Mostly to do with the permissions system. I want a hierarchical set of categories and channels, and I want to be able to set one user as a privileged user, and instantly get access to all of those channels, or some of them, depending on the permissions settings. I also want some users to be able to see some channels, but not all, with only a single join action. In discord you join the “server” and you get all channels unless permissions specify otherwise. Then when you get a role, you may be able to instantly see and use several other channels. Some servers let you choose your own roles, and manually give you others, to customize what you can see and interact with.
With matrix there are… permissions. But they can’t be inherited by a room from some sort of category, it’s hard or impossible to automatically hide some rooms from users who join a space, with an option to instantly give them access to those rooms with an easily configurable toggle. Rooms tend to act like their own space sometimes, and each can have their own invite which is annoying. I want them to act as a collection under a single membership, just like you can join a single discord server, and whether or not you see them, all channels are contained in that server and getting access to those channels is a matter of role permissions. I also vaguely remember having trouble with the admin stuff and adding other admins/moderators to my matrix space, but I can’t remember what problems I had with that.
Basically it’s hard to make a large matrix space with many many rooms that have different purposes. Not to mention the lack of forum channels, those are required for my type of large community.
I have a few hundred people in my community. I imagine it’s much worse with larger communities.
Edit: now that I think about it, my moderator team even looked up some of the missing features, and the matrix devs had stated that they are not planned, and that is not the direction they want to take matrix in. Which is fine, but that means it has a completely different use case than something like discord for communities.
I understand! I know there is a lot of hype about Discord, especially young people love it. Despite all the features, isn’t Discord just a chat software?
Reading your answer, I think you are looking for a forum software (not chat) 😄
Have you looked at Discourse? It is open source, offers a modern, hierarchical structure with categories and subcategories, extensive permission systems and role management. It is specifically designed for larger communities and allows easy management of moderators and admins.
That would be great, but I also do like having chat channels in addition to forum channels. And voice chat is one of the most important parts of the whole thing, but I didn’t mention those because matrix does text and voice chat just as well as discord. And I agree discord is popular among younger people. Though all of the active people in my community are in their 20’s through 40’s, I think we have maybe 1 or 2 people under 18 which we technically do not allow but we have exceptions for them.
Most of our members we met through online gaming, and it’s a lot easier to get a gamer to join discord than it is a website based forum or a platform they have never joined (matrix, etc).
You can use Libredirect, an extension that redirects you to privacy-respecting alternatives to websites, and update it in the settings to make it automatically open in Freetube.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/
I use LibRedirect. It can handle youtube links and redirect them to a number of frontends. It can also directly open freetube. It’s a firefox extension.
I tried revolt and… It sucks. None of my friends are on revolt. None of my bots work on revolt. Same with matrix. Matrix is horrible for large communities where discord offers inheritable permissions, forum channels, channels that only some users can see, its just not the same use case at all.
Also please link the original YouTube link. I don’t like invidious, I have my own preferred frontend. Don’t force people to use the frontend that you like. I use freetube, which is just as private and better for my needs. But I can’t automatically open freetube if you don’t link the original YouTube link. Same with people who use literally any other frontend than invidious.
Here’s the link, I tried to clean up the trackers, https://youtu.be/0Vd2gYRF_XQ
I’m still keeping up the Invidious link since exactly in the Privacy community rules, it says that there can’t be any links with any major tracking requests on it. You can easily just change the link yourself if that’s the case. If none of your friends are on revolt or matrix, that’s an issue on your end. You can just make your own rules and ask people to contact you on only private platforms or via email. Which is exactly what I’ve done when I was migrating from Discord to Revolt.
However, if you absolutely have to use Discord, which I wouldn’t recommend, the least you could do is disable the diagnostics and only use it in a private browser or a open source client like Datcord or Spacebarchat.
https://github.com/gamingdoom/datcord
https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat
I run a large community, it’s not just a matter of asking people to contact me elsewhere. You can’t uproot a community and bring it somewhere else, and I wouldn’t be able to at all because of matrix’s and revolt’s lack of permissions systems, bots, and other things that are unique to discord. I would welcome a viable alternative. I’ve spent many hours trying to make matrix work with the functionality I need, and it’s simply not possible.
As far as the link goes, I’m not sure if those rules mean the links themselves must not contain tracking, or that the website on the other end must not contain tracking. You can have youtube links that themselves have no tracking information in it. You can’t just ban links to any site with tracking, you’d just have nothing you can link to.
Edit: the rule also says “isn’t great”. That’s not the same as “isn’t allowed”. Forcing someone onto a frontend that either doesn’t work for them or is annoying to use I think is worse than letting users redirect themselves using a “tracking filled website” link.
Aliucord and webcord also work well
You complain a lot
They do but I like them
Interesting, what issues did you have? How large are those communities?
Mostly to do with the permissions system. I want a hierarchical set of categories and channels, and I want to be able to set one user as a privileged user, and instantly get access to all of those channels, or some of them, depending on the permissions settings. I also want some users to be able to see some channels, but not all, with only a single join action. In discord you join the “server” and you get all channels unless permissions specify otherwise. Then when you get a role, you may be able to instantly see and use several other channels. Some servers let you choose your own roles, and manually give you others, to customize what you can see and interact with.
With matrix there are… permissions. But they can’t be inherited by a room from some sort of category, it’s hard or impossible to automatically hide some rooms from users who join a space, with an option to instantly give them access to those rooms with an easily configurable toggle. Rooms tend to act like their own space sometimes, and each can have their own invite which is annoying. I want them to act as a collection under a single membership, just like you can join a single discord server, and whether or not you see them, all channels are contained in that server and getting access to those channels is a matter of role permissions. I also vaguely remember having trouble with the admin stuff and adding other admins/moderators to my matrix space, but I can’t remember what problems I had with that.
Basically it’s hard to make a large matrix space with many many rooms that have different purposes. Not to mention the lack of forum channels, those are required for my type of large community.
I have a few hundred people in my community. I imagine it’s much worse with larger communities.
Edit: now that I think about it, my moderator team even looked up some of the missing features, and the matrix devs had stated that they are not planned, and that is not the direction they want to take matrix in. Which is fine, but that means it has a completely different use case than something like discord for communities.
I understand! I know there is a lot of hype about Discord, especially young people love it. Despite all the features, isn’t Discord just a chat software? Reading your answer, I think you are looking for a forum software (not chat) 😄 Have you looked at Discourse? It is open source, offers a modern, hierarchical structure with categories and subcategories, extensive permission systems and role management. It is specifically designed for larger communities and allows easy management of moderators and admins.
That would be great, but I also do like having chat channels in addition to forum channels. And voice chat is one of the most important parts of the whole thing, but I didn’t mention those because matrix does text and voice chat just as well as discord. And I agree discord is popular among younger people. Though all of the active people in my community are in their 20’s through 40’s, I think we have maybe 1 or 2 people under 18 which we technically do not allow but we have exceptions for them.
Most of our members we met through online gaming, and it’s a lot easier to get a gamer to join discord than it is a website based forum or a platform they have never joined (matrix, etc).
How do you make freetube automatically open?
You can use Libredirect, an extension that redirects you to privacy-respecting alternatives to websites, and update it in the settings to make it automatically open in Freetube. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/
Thank you
I use LibRedirect. It can handle youtube links and redirect them to a number of frontends. It can also directly open freetube. It’s a firefox extension.
Thank you, ill try that
You could redirect invidious to free tube
You can use any redirecting extension, if it does not support FreeTube directly, just make it open
freetube://<youtube link>.