• volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    We don’t stand for this, the bottom picture are 2 graffiti made by people who we don’t know, or when they were made, and 2 protestors with anti-Israel posters, not anti-Semitic. The wide movement of protests are absolutely not anti-Semitic, and you trying to post shit like this conflating anti-zionism with anti-Semitism is disgusting

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      5 months ago

      The star of David makes the posters ambiguous they could refer to either Israel or Jews. The grafitti in the images is explicitly antisemitic. Splitting hairs over this is pretty gross imo. I don’t like crticiism of Israel being called antisemitic, but that doesn’t make antisemitism suddenly ok

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        5 months ago

        Dude, nobody is saying the graffiti is not anti-Semitic, it literally says “kill the jews”, how on earth would that not be antisemitic. I’m saying they’re putting the graffiti on top of protestors in an obvious attempt to conflate antizionist protests with antisemitism

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          5 months ago

          It’s not hard to distinguish between Jews and Israel. Those words I just used do the job. The protestors could do the same

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            5 months ago

            In both signs, you can clearly see it’s the flag of Israel because of the blue stripes on top and bottom.

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              5 months ago

              … And are you REALLY saying that the “final solution” phrase in this context doesn’t seem just a tad antisemitic? Look, I’m opposed to Israels actions but I think you’re being willfully blind

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              5 months ago

              People have attacked synagogs for Israel’s actions because of the star of David. People conflated the two. It would be great if people did nuance. They do not

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                5 months ago

                Yeah, some people have done that shit. I’m not arguing “there’s no antisemitism anymore”, that would be ridiculous, and antisemitism sucks. What sucks too is using antisemitism broadly to accuse non-antisemitic but anti-zionist protests against genocide in Gaza.

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                  5 months ago

                  I agree. But I think it behoves people protesting against Israel to be very clear on that point and using the star of David and phrases like “the final solution” is the very opposite of that. To me, that looks pretty antisemitic. I say that as an atheist who detests the actions of the Israeli state and who has been pro Palestinian for decades. Bottom line, hatred of any group is appalling and people need to be clear that’s not what they’re doing