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My neck is one of the first on the chopping block. Yes.
It’s up to neoliberals to change their politics, if they don’t our democracy is fucked anyway. This is the one last chance to try and shock them into understanding how they’re failing.
Rewarding Biden with a second term will reinforce that Democratic support for genocide is ok as long as they employ a pied piper strategy and help prop up extreme right-wing.
And what, exactly, is the other option? Third parties can’t win in FPTP. The DNC isn’t going to just suddenly pick Bernie, who isn’t even running. So you SAY you want change but your solution is to not vote for the lesser evil. This directly helps a fascist get into power.
The focus should be on changing the Democratic party politics. Nothing else matters because Democrats represent the only potential chance of combatting fascism, but they are not fit to do so with their current leadership and the strategies they’re deploying to force their corporate fucks into office. Encouraging them to continue along the path they’re on will only lead to fascism.
Their strategies need to change. They don’t respond to public sentiment or outcry, they don’t respond to reason or or sympathy or compromise, they only respond to real material threats to their power.
I’m not waiting a generation for Democrats to get their shit together. That’s a non-starter. They need to change yesterday, if they don’t change and just try to strong arm people into voting for evil candidates then the democracy is full dead.
The focus should be on changing the Democratic party politics
Ok but how does getting Trump elected do that? He says he’s going to be a dictator Day 1. There aren’t going to BE any more elections after that. All your high and mighty speech is just bullshit if you don’t vote strategically to prevent a literal fascist.
This is why people who don’t vote Biden in November are just fascists. If your actions knowingly help a fascist, you are one.
I’m at peace with the possibility that there may be no democratic way out of this in the end. I’m willing to give the Democrats one last window to understand what they need to do to win elections, but if they can’t accept that lesson and they let the fascists walk all over them, so be it.
“If the entire democratic party doesn’t do what I want, fascists win”
Sounds like what a fascist would say. Go fight your violent revolution in your mind, which is the only place you’ll be surviving. Absolutely fucking unhinged.
What I want is, as a basic fucking starting point, a party that does not support genocide.
Yeah, I know, too much to ask right? Why am I sooooo demanding and unbending. It’s just some brown people, geez, we kill them all the time. Right guys?
So now you’re willfully ignoring Project 2025, and Trump stating he is going to be dictator day 1. Not only that, but with a compromised judicial and legislative branch, you really are gonna sit there and say:
I’m calling bullshit on this. The president is not king and he cannot make himself king.
You’re not sincere, and if you are, I now can see why you’re doubling down on stupidity.
No, I’m just realistic. As I said, I’m prepared for the real possibility of Project 2025 (which the GOP is not going to give up on just because Trump loses). Are you? You don’t strike me as ready for what that will require from the American people.
Biden Democrats aren’t going to confront Project 2025, if they were serious about avoiding that they’d be throwing themselves in front of Biden to stop him continuing his support of genocide.
Notice how Democrats aren’t actually acting with any urgency though? How they’ll keep repeating that our democracy is at stake but won’t make a single compromise or sacrifice to their constituents to ensure they win this election. Do you fucking notice that?
It seems clear to me that you really want this to become a reality even though, as you stated before that your life would be in danger. So again, it’s hard to believe that you want to avoid this when you’re actively campaigning for the US to be an authoritarian state.
No. I decidedly don’t fucking want it, but pretending that I do is literally the only way you’ll allow yourself to understand what I’m saying to you because to actually parse the words I’m actually saying you’d have to admit to the possibility that the lesser of two evils may not be a solution.
You’d have to hold that idea in your brain and extrapolate its consequences. And you just can’t bring yourself to imagine that, because you don’t want to admit what’s happening to this country and what groups have been complicit.
So you lie to yourself in real time about what I’m saying, protecting your bubble, projecting your deluded thinking onto me.
What nonsense. By this time in the election cycle it is too late to change who the 2 candidates are. You sound so incredibly naive with your comment essentially saying “I’m going to just let it all burn down since I can’t vote for the perfect candidate”. Stop your misinformation.
Want a better candidate? Start pushing earlier and in more local elections. Let those candidates build their political careers and move the country left.
So you know you can do an easy action to make some people’s lives better, to delay fascism, and save minorities from a plan to essentially wipe them out, but you won’t because of principles? Because of some notion that the Democratic party will learn from losing?
You know that they lost in 2020 to a fascist. This already happened and the result was 4 years of hell for every minority group in the country. Why do you think this would be any better, or accomplish anything?
No, I won’t because the party will not change direction without electoral consequences.
A vote for pro-genocide Democrats at this point is still a vote for inevitable fascism and increasingly worse civil strife.
A delay is only useful if the people you’re giving power to will use it to fight. Biden and corporate democrats have proven beyond any dispute that they will not fight. That’s how we got here, by relying on corporate democrats to stem the tide.
My neck is one of the first on the chopping block. Yes.
It’s up to neoliberals to change their politics, if they don’t our democracy is fucked anyway. This is the one last chance to try and shock them into understanding how they’re failing.
Rewarding Biden with a second term will reinforce that Democratic support for genocide is ok as long as they employ a pied piper strategy and help prop up extreme right-wing.
And what, exactly, is the other option? Third parties can’t win in FPTP. The DNC isn’t going to just suddenly pick Bernie, who isn’t even running. So you SAY you want change but your solution is to not vote for the lesser evil. This directly helps a fascist get into power.
Ergo: you are a fascist supporter.
The focus should be on changing the Democratic party politics. Nothing else matters because Democrats represent the only potential chance of combatting fascism, but they are not fit to do so with their current leadership and the strategies they’re deploying to force their corporate fucks into office. Encouraging them to continue along the path they’re on will only lead to fascism.
Their strategies need to change. They don’t respond to public sentiment or outcry, they don’t respond to reason or or sympathy or compromise, they only respond to real material threats to their power.
I’m not waiting a generation for Democrats to get their shit together. That’s a non-starter. They need to change yesterday, if they don’t change and just try to strong arm people into voting for evil candidates then the democracy is full dead.
Ok but how does getting Trump elected do that? He says he’s going to be a dictator Day 1. There aren’t going to BE any more elections after that. All your high and mighty speech is just bullshit if you don’t vote strategically to prevent a literal fascist.
This is why people who don’t vote Biden in November are just fascists. If your actions knowingly help a fascist, you are one.
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“If the entire democratic party doesn’t do what I want, fascists win”
Sounds like what a fascist would say. Go fight your violent revolution in your mind, which is the only place you’ll be surviving. Absolutely fucking unhinged.
What I want is, as a basic fucking starting point, a party that does not support genocide.
Yeah, I know, too much to ask right? Why am I sooooo demanding and unbending. It’s just some brown people, geez, we kill them all the time. Right guys?
So now you’re willfully ignoring Project 2025, and Trump stating he is going to be dictator day 1. Not only that, but with a compromised judicial and legislative branch, you really are gonna sit there and say:
You’re not sincere, and if you are, I now can see why you’re doubling down on stupidity.
No, I’m just realistic. As I said, I’m prepared for the real possibility of Project 2025 (which the GOP is not going to give up on just because Trump loses). Are you? You don’t strike me as ready for what that will require from the American people.
Biden Democrats aren’t going to confront Project 2025, if they were serious about avoiding that they’d be throwing themselves in front of Biden to stop him continuing his support of genocide.
Notice how Democrats aren’t actually acting with any urgency though? How they’ll keep repeating that our democracy is at stake but won’t make a single compromise or sacrifice to their constituents to ensure they win this election. Do you fucking notice that?
It seems clear to me that you really want this to become a reality even though, as you stated before that your life would be in danger. So again, it’s hard to believe that you want to avoid this when you’re actively campaigning for the US to be an authoritarian state.
No. I decidedly don’t fucking want it, but pretending that I do is literally the only way you’ll allow yourself to understand what I’m saying to you because to actually parse the words I’m actually saying you’d have to admit to the possibility that the lesser of two evils may not be a solution.
You’d have to hold that idea in your brain and extrapolate its consequences. And you just can’t bring yourself to imagine that, because you don’t want to admit what’s happening to this country and what groups have been complicit.
So you lie to yourself in real time about what I’m saying, protecting your bubble, projecting your deluded thinking onto me.
What nonsense. By this time in the election cycle it is too late to change who the 2 candidates are. You sound so incredibly naive with your comment essentially saying “I’m going to just let it all burn down since I can’t vote for the perfect candidate”. Stop your misinformation.
Want a better candidate? Start pushing earlier and in more local elections. Let those candidates build their political careers and move the country left.
You acknowledge your life will be in danger if Trump wins, but yet double down on stupidity. I have a hard time believing you.
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You failed to addess my statement.
If Biden does not win in November, that will mean that Trump has.
There is no magic left wing write in.
So you know you can do an easy action to make some people’s lives better, to delay fascism, and save minorities from a plan to essentially wipe them out, but you won’t because of principles? Because of some notion that the Democratic party will learn from losing?
You know that they lost in 2020 to a fascist. This already happened and the result was 4 years of hell for every minority group in the country. Why do you think this would be any better, or accomplish anything?
No, I won’t because the party will not change direction without electoral consequences.
A vote for pro-genocide Democrats at this point is still a vote for inevitable fascism and increasingly worse civil strife.
A delay is only useful if the people you’re giving power to will use it to fight. Biden and corporate democrats have proven beyond any dispute that they will not fight. That’s how we got here, by relying on corporate democrats to stem the tide.