cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/4249593

Democratic Gov. Jared Polis called the Gadsden flag ‘a proud symbol of the American revolution’ after a a Colorado student was told to remove a patch of the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from his backpack.

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    Colorado Progressives want to ban all right-wing imagery but Liberals are defending it because it has historic roots in the founding of the nation. I thought it was an interesting political story.

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      Progressives want to ban all right-wing imagery

      Nonsense.

      Have all the right wing imagery you want. It’s a free country. Just don’t expect to be free from criticism and don’t get violent.

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        Have all the right wing imagery you want.

        This is solid blue Colorado, where California Progressives have settled. They are used to getting their way, but Colorado is all about individual rights. So the Progressives out here get mad quite often when the government doesn’t back their extreme views and mission to ban right-wing imagery. Keep in mind those in question are not a large group of people and do not reflect Progressives elsewhere in the nation.

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          I’m from Colorado, we have never been solid blue. Until quite recently we were reliably purple. Outside of our major metro areas we are still pretty red.

          You’re talking out your ass.

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            I’ve lived in Colorado for 34 years, it’s solid fucking blue.

            Outside of our major metro areas we are still pretty red

            There are only 500,000 that live outside the metro areas, so yes about 500K Republicans and 5 million Democrats.

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              A solid blue state wouldn’t elect someone like Boebert MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES you dumb fuck

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              Colorado springs is the second largest metro area and even that city is pretty red. You don’t know what you are talking about

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          … in Colorado Springs private schools? I’m guessing you haven’t spent a second in Colorado Springs.

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            Colorado Springs isn’t the ultra right-wing haven it used to be. It’s purple and will turn blue in the near future.

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              Uh excuse me, you were just crying in another thread about how the state is totally solid blue but now it’s purple eh?

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              That’s not what progressivism is at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

              Progressivism is about organized labor and a willingness to make big policy reforms if they’re evidence-based. Like progressives want universal healthcare instead of the shit sandwich of corporate bureaucracy Americans eat at the hospital. Progressives don’t care about backpack patches in schools. The school policies they care about having a strong teachers union and high quality, universal school lunches.

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                  The two leading progressive politicians (Bernie and AOC) talk about unions and Medicare for All until they’re blue in the face.

                  Also, I don’t think I’m the one here struggling with the reality of politics. This thread is about one rowdy teen having a patch removed from his backpack by a school employee. It doesn’t have anything to do with progressive politicians.

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                    Don’t bother. Right wingers will do anything and everything to act like victims.

                    I wish the right wing had never adopted the gladsden flag. They fly it without any real understanding of it’s meaning and give it a bad name.

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                    I assure you that if that was the case this culture war nonsense wouldn’t exist and Americans would have a decent quality of life

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              Ok, so what? You’re protesting the idea in another thread that conservatives eventually will want all queer people dead by saying incidents of violence were isolated and here you’re arguing that the actions of a single person can be expanded to all progressives.

              Make up your mind.

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                Where do you find a “dissonance”? If anything it’s you because you’re claiming that few incidents represent around half of th US, while I just said that progressives relevant to the boy wanted to censor him

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                  Wait…you actually think that 50% of the United States population self-identifies as either conservative, Republican, or some combination of the two? You need to get your fucking head examined.

                  If it wasn’t for gerrymandering and the electoral college Republicans would be getting draxxed in literally every single presidential election as well as a significantly larger number of Congressional and Senatorial elections.

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          They were to remove the patches with firearms but there was a clear mixup in relation to adjacent themes like the no step on snek has become.

          Not that you’re looking for a real answer or anything, given how you are already aware that the official position is that the no step on snek symbology is expressly allowed yet ask why the patche were removed. I can’t even tell if you read the actual fucking article.

          Why are you playing dumb?

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          In recent years, the flag has become the symbol of the American Tea Party political movement and has also been adopted by far-right extremists.

          In 2014, a Las Vegas couple who espoused anti-government, pro-gun beliefs killed two police officers at a pizza restaurant and draped over one of their bodies a swastika and a Gadsden flag.

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              The sad part is you think you’re making some profound point, but you’re not.

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                If I’m not, explain why it’s not as valid as the “capitol guys used no step on snek flags, it must be banned”

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                  First thing, you need to understand that I don’t support banning the usage of the glasden flag. I’ve already said that in my initial comment, so your comment was meaningless from the beginning. I quoted a piece from the article that could explain why some people view the glasden flag in a negative light today.

                  Second, the US flag is the flag of the country. If your logic is “well dipshits flew it during their failed attempt at a coup thus you’re saying it should be banned?”, your argument is childish. The US flag doesn’t stand for what they did, they’re just adopting it and using it despite it’s underlying meaning. Banning the Nazi flag makes sense, because it’s a literal enemy flag that represented Nazi ideology. Banning the confederate flag makes sense, because it’s a literal traitorous flag flown by slavers and supporters of racism. The glasden flag doesn’t have the same innate meaning because it was the flag of revolution, it’s just that inbred wannabe revolutionaries today fly it when they’re larping freedom fighter 80 action heroes when in reality they want authoritarian rule.

                  Again, I was quoting the article on why the glasden flag has a bad rap today, namely because idiotic authoritarians think they’re all mcs from an 80s action flick.

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      No we don’t lol. The DToM flag is fine, altho admittedly right wingers and libertarians fly it without understanding it at all.

      The only flags that should be banned are those of enemy powers and traitors that the right wing loves to fly, such as the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag. Those two literally serve no purpose being flown in modern America because 1 was the flag of genocide and the other the flag of traitors and slavery.

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        libertarians fly it without understanding it at all.

        What? The Gadsden flag is, in effect, a symbol of Libertarianism.

        The only flags that should be banned are those of enemy powers and traitors that the right wing loves to fly, such as the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag. Those two literally serve no purpose being flown in modern America because 1 was the flag of genocide and the other the flag of traitors and slavery.

        Ignoring the fact that the 1st Ammendment would prohibit any such legislation from ever being passed, why ban hateful symbols? If the symbols are truly terrible, then the court of public opinion will handle it – the solution to bad speech is better speech.

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          What evidence do you have that they are progressive beyond the fact that you don’t like them?

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          Except “progressive” doesn’t appear anywhere in the article…

          Maybe you should read the article you’re telling others to read before you say that… maybe this part of the article kinda would explain why the Gadsden flag has a bad rap today

          In recent years, the flag has become the symbol of the American Tea Party political movement and has also been adopted by far-right extremists.

          In 2014, a Las Vegas couple who espoused anti-government, pro-gun beliefs killed two police officers at a pizza restaurant and draped over one of their bodies a swastika and a Gadsden flag.

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      You keep saying “progressive” like overzealous school administrators are progressive. How do you know their politics? Maybe they’re undecided voters who are sick of this one kid’s shit.

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        I watched the video with the kid, his mom, and the administrator. I’ll totally defend the boys right to wear the patch, but he really looked like an annoying little twat.

        However, even more annoying was the incompetent admin from that video.

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      Liberals are defending it because it has historic roots in the founding of the nation

      The Gadsden Flag is a much more powerful symbol than simply a historic prop. It encompasses ideas of personal liberty, and individualism. It is essentially a symbol of Libertarianism.