Hi, I’m wondering myself is root useful or not ? In which case it can be useful ? And Root with magisk is unsecure ?

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    Really? How much damage to end users deal with when they HAVE admin access vs restricted user accts? When I was in IT, most of my time was wasted cleaning up messes that couldn’t have happened in the first place on a acct where the users couldn’t do what they did.

    Youre speaking as somebody’s thats probably competent with your devices, big surprise, most people aren’t!

    Most people click random links that would be obvious to a techy person as a trap, install software without checking what it’ll do, blindly giving permissions to anything their shady apps ask for. Then follow random shit on the internet and make things far worse.

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      That’s going to be a thing of the past. The future for corporate users is a locked down monitored system with least privilege access in the name of security. Zero Trust they call it.

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      How much damage to end users deal

      When I was in IT

      most people aren’t

      most people click

      1. I’m talking about home computers

      2. Skill issue + not my problem. It doesn’t matter if most people are competent, they should have full control over their property. The ones who fuck up will be responsible for the consequences of their actions. Most people are too stupid to use power tools correctly, but the last time I checked, I didn’t have to nicely ask Milwaukee to unlock the bootloader on my drill so I could use it with torx bits.

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        I’m talking about home computers

        Makes zero difference, it’s the exact same situation, and the example holds.

        Skill issue + not my problem

        We’re not talking about (you), that’s been established already.

        It doesn’t matter if most people are competent,

        Yes, It absolutely does, because the people that aren’t are the far majority.

        they should have full control over their property.

        They do, they can make the decision to root their device, void their warranty, and break their own shit. They waste other people’s time crying because they didn’t know what they were doing.

        I didn’t have to nicely ask Milwaukee to unlock the bootloader on my drill so I could use it with torx bits.

        Piss poor comparison, you also don’t need to ask your phone mfg to install apps on it, connect accessories, set wallpapers, or any other USER level change. You absolutely are NOT allowed by Milwaukee to open up your drill and self-service it without voiding their warranty, which is the exact same thing. You could do it anyway, but you’re on your own so they’re not going to give you the go ahead on it at anytime. They’re protecting themselves from the 99% who have no clue.

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          You absolutely are NOT allowed by Milwaukee to open up your drill and self-service it without voiding their warranty

          If you’re in the USA, however, you’re allowed to do that by federal law, and Milwaukee is forbidden from voiding the warranty unless they can prove you serviced it incorrectly enough to cause the problem you’re seeking warranty service for.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act

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            Milwaukee is forbidden from voiding the warranty unless **they can prove you serviced it incorrectly enough to cause the problem you’re seeking warranty service for. ** Which is exactly what they’d say. The Moss act is Swiss Cheese, and the only industry that it’s every been pretty consistent with is the Automotive repair industry. We wouldn’t need to fight for Right to Repair is Moss did it’s job.

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              The act was primarily written to target tie-in service for profit, which is not the primary motivation of companies making consumer electronics that are difficult to service today; they want it to be replaced, not repaired. It was effective for that purpose, and continues to be effective when enforced.

              Moss isn’t a panacea. It does not cover making devices impossible to service in a cost-effective manner, availability of parts, serialization, or other anti-repair practices. It’s just about warranties.

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          1 year ago

          Is your ability to deliberately misinterpret everything you read the result of study, or does it come naturally?