• JigglySackles@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I fucking hate that the only other option is a fascist tyrant with designs on overthrowing our government.

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      6 months ago

      Literally has a guidebook written and published as part of his campaign. And people still vote for him.

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        6 months ago

        I wonder if either party has a level of depravity they’ll put up with before choosing to not vote for their candidate

        My feeling is maybe not

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          5 months ago

          Have you looked at Project 2025? It is absolutely a blueprint for total fascism. Destroy the FBI, DOJ, DHS, FCC, and FTC. Then replace tens of thousands of federal employees with party loyalists, and practice executive unilateral theory…essentially the idea that the president is all powerful and can act unilaterally.

          If that’s not scary enough (because that is essentially the first few years of Nazi Germany in a nutshell)…let’s also cut the department of education so we can keep everyone stupid. Further bans on abortion and restrictions on contraception. Criminalize porn. Get rid of any federal DEI programs and eliminate discrimination and harassment protections for LGBT.

          Then shrink the EPA and destroy NOAA. Roll back any climate change legislation and go full-steam on fossil fuels.

          Reduce the number of generals (no doubt to keep loyalists and cronies).

          It is literally impossible to read any one page of Project 2025 and see it as anything other than a blueprint for fascism and the destruction of America, essentially handing it over to corporations and party loyalists. And it is 920 pages long. And the book is only one part of Project 2025.

          Oh, and most of this was just paraphrased from 3 paragraphs of the Wikipedia article. This is the tip of the iceberg.

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            5 months ago

            Destroy the FBI, DOJ, DHS,

            i want this, too. democrats railed against dhs as fascist when bush implemented it. fbi and doj enforce unjust laws. fuck all that. get rid of them all.

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              I disagree with DHS too, but at this point INS and a whole bunch of other stuff kinda either merged in or cohabitated it to the point that I’m not really sure what DHS role is.

              Regardless this is 4d chess. Everybody knows Trump doesn’t like most the 3-letter agencies for reasons other than far-right idealism. He has been preaching to his base that they are politicized and engaged in a witch hunt against him, and they soaked it in like R. Kelly’s sheets.

              So, what happens? Biden can’t call out this part of P2025 individually because it’ll fuel the flames of Trump’s base and backfire against him.

              Trump has a very obedient, angry mob behind him. Nearly every part of P2025 is something that if Biden were to call it out individually, it’d pour gas on Trump’s dumpster fire of a campaign.

              The reason is because Trump and the Republican party has no problem, essentially, punching below the belt. Dems have enough tact and honor left to still not be bending the rules or start punching down now. Good on them, but it is kind of a shame, because it’s a losing strategy. It’s like a nerd wearing a protective cup because he knows the bully is going to kick him in the nuts again, and that’s the best strategy they can come up with.

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                5 months ago

                p2025 is a boogeyman, anyway. they’ve been writing position papers like this for decades now. just how much of their 2016 agenda was trump able to enact? practically nothing. and it will be the same with this.

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                  5 months ago

                  Very much disagree with this.

                  As I’d said, the Republican strategy is and always has been to suppress Democratic voters as much as possible.

                  The right already controls one branch of federal government (judicial).

                  The executive, everyone knows is up for this year, and that’s the main focus.

                  For the legislative, every seat in the House is up for vote, along with one third of Congress.

                  Making Dems apathetic is the goal. Doing that, they can clean sweep all three branches.

                  And, if they don’t, it’s already well known that Trump admires fascist dictators. Nobody should be surprised if he goes a little bit outside his lane when he’s got even just the courts in his side. Look at the games his judges are playing now.

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                    5 months ago

                    can i bet you a dogecoin he doesn’t get even 10% of it accomplished? the policies are in black in white so they can be enumerated. come 2029, we could easily calculate the effectiveness of p2025.

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      6 months ago

      A fascist tyrant who will publicly support the genocide. It doesn’t matter who will be president, genocide support will happen regardless. It’s just a question of whether a fascist will take office or not.

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        5 months ago

        If we had ranked choice voting across the board I might actually vote for her or another. But seeing as we only have two practical options, that’s not realistic to vote for her if we expect it to fend off the worse of two voting options. In other words, voting for her doesn’t help avoid Trump. It in fact draws votes away from the Biden option since she’s a green option which wouldn’t realistically draw any votes from the right.

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              5 months ago

              Supporting, donating, and spreading the message to friends and family about the Green party. It is the largest decent party in the US so a good base to build from. What everyone else on this site does is complain about voting for Joe Biden instead of doing anything.

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                5 months ago

                Do you realistically see any possibility of the green party gaining enough traction by November to actually be a competitive option and defeat both alternative parties? Do you think it can go from 0.26% of the popular vote and 0% of the electoral college vote to obtaining a majority of 51%?

                I applaud the commitment to a an ideal. But the ideal won’t stop a fascist regime in the form of Trump from setting in. We who complain about voting for Biden can see that Biden isn’t a good option. But he is the best chance of not getting Trump. So he begrudgingly gets a vote. I would love to live in a country that can have viable 3rd party options. But currently we aren’t there. And there is too much that will have to change to make it possible to realistically be a voting option. Every journey starts with a single step and all but until we get things passed like ranked choice voting, the green party will never see a national victory.

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                  5 months ago

                  This election is unique with weak duopoly candidates and RFK polling up to 10% in some polls. So there is a chance for the Green party, a very slim one to win but realistically could achieve 5% to gain increased federal funding for future elections.

                  In my view Biden’s administration is just as fascist as Trump in their work to prevent a third party option. So that’s why I try to build a new party, but can understand if you see his administration differently.

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                    5 months ago

                    I can’t see them as equivalent outside of that singular position though. Both suck at not creating room for a 3rd party 100%. But Trump is following a plan and colluding with others in the GOP and DOJ to topple all democracy and install a dictatorship. If that comes to fruition there won’t even be two parties. It will be one party. Well, one party and a group of people oppressed by the party.