• Pratai@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Please tell me that political compass memes aren’t going to be invading lemmy.

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        1 year ago

        Inclined to agree- but god I hope this doesn’t open the floodgates. That subreddit is about as cringy as it gets.

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          It’s worse than that. It’s one of the few places that invites fascist participation, shouts down those that object to that participation, and purposefully induces normal people into interacting with fascists and their ideas. We should not allow it here.

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            All under the pretense that “everyone is welcome”. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that every meme that makes it to the front page is far-right and that 75% of the people flared “left” hold views like “I’m left wing but I think leftists take things too far” and other fascist apologism.

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      I enjoy the format. Even with obvious bias in memes, they make fun of everyone

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    You seen the takes from Authright and AnCaps lately? Trying to get rid of single-party divorces, pro child-marriage, pro ‘enforced monogamy’.

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    Spicy nuanced take: the definition of rape has become a spectrum, encompassing violent, overwhelming force to nonviolent deception and everything in between. So the quoted statement can be correct in some scenarios, but wrong in others.

    If you’re the victim of a violent assailant, you can and should be able to use any amount of force necessary, up to including deadly force, to escape. But turning up and wasting some dude because he stealthed you last week is unquestionably murder.

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      Self defense is a legal defense. That means the person claiming that they were acting in self defense is going to be doing that, at trial, in front of a jury. That means they have been charged with murder and the jury has to decide whether the defendant was acting reasonably when they killed them. What that means specifically, depends on jurisdiction.

      They could also be guilty of a lesser crime than first degree murder. There are knowing, reckless, and acting under extreme duress versions of homicide in most places. All of which still carry jail time.

      Having argued self defense in front of a jury, I think it should always be an option for them so long as it makes some kind of sense for the facts.

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        It’s not self defense of immediate threat has ended. You can’t take retributive action after the fact and call it self defense.

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              If I was in court for killing a rapist, what makes you think I would care about going to jail at that point? The system would still be wrong for doing it regardless.

              Did you know that legal does not equal moral, just or true?

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        Also in civilized countries, self defense is only valid if you’ve exhausted every possible opportunity to retreat.The idea of “stand your ground” laws in the US is widely to considered to contribute to a violent society rather than deter.

        For example in Florida in an instance of road rage a man fired a gun at another vehicle. Since the victim has no obligation to retreat, and even had his own weapon, he simply returned fire. So there’s a shootout in the middle of the street in broad daylight with innocent people around.

        That stuff doesn’t happen in safe societies.

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    Lmfao, let me tell you from a feminist perspective that there are absolutely men, especially from the right but sadly not exclusively, who wouldn’t flinch at this, let alone wonder what the fuck.

    This seems like a post for men to pat themselves on the back and pretend they can agree and sing kumbaya across party lines on this one, but the only thing you’re bonding over is pretending misogyny doesn’t exist (making you actively part perpetuating it).

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      There are people from all walks of life that wouldn’t. Doesn’t mean the decent people from all sides abide by it. This thread alone shows there are at least some who care, and that’s what’s vitally important for rape victims and survivors, not petty political garbage.

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        This thread alone shows there are at least some who care, and that’s what’s vitally important for rape victims and survivors

        as a survivor - shut the fuck up, and don’t dare use rape victims you clearly don’t give a shit about (and who I guarantee never ever want to hear the phrase “not all men” or anything like it) as justification for you to feel better about excluding yourself from the problem you are obviously a part of.

        This entire post and replies are nothing but a massive “not all men” circlejerk, entirely focused on making yourselves feel better via rape jokes and misogyny.

        Go fuck yourself.

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          I am a survivor too. I’m not even male. In all likelihood, so are a lot of people upvoting the thread. Do not presume to know anything about me or my motives, especially after I’ve been in here all night shooting down rape apologists while your ass did nothing but complain about the thread’s existence. You do not help us survivors. You only hurt us acting that way.

          Acknowledging that there are people from all political stripes that oppose rape apologia is in no way contributing to the slave racket, patriarchy, or rape culture. It certainly isn’t not-all-menning anything because how the fuck do I know what gender everybody is?

          Your claim that this post is a not-all-men circlejerk is entirely baseless. You know a lot of rape apologists are women, right? You do know that?

          There are actual rape apologists in this thread you could have invested energy arguing with but all you find worthy to complain about is the fact that some alt-right dipshits agree, giving us all common ground for once. Why. Why did I get up in the morning and check the thread? 🤦

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          People like that are so fucking vile. Like how do they cope with people who have different religions or none? Wouldn’t accepting their viewpoint require governments to adopt their religion since it’s the basis for their argument?

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    A lot of green box people say they’re against the death penalty until they get mad at someone. I’m actually against it though so I agree with the tweet.

    Edit: Not sure if the downvotes are coming from all the red box people ruining this platform who are pro death penalty or the green box people who think I’m against them.

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    Apparently this person in the post has never heard of self defense. If killing someone is the only way to escape being raped, no you shouldn’t be charged with murder as rape can fuck your whole entire life just as much as being charged for murder can, just in different ways.

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      There are people in the world who believe no violence is justified ever, even in self defense, and they attack rape victims along with victims of other serious crimes, the military, etc. because they perceive people like that as threats to their insane ideology. They don’t care about the hypocrisy of defending rapists and their ilk to do it. They care about holding back innocent people so that violence is never viewed in a positive light, and they do it at all costs.

      True evil exists in this world and that is one of its many faces.

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      It makes no sense, even by the logic that killing is only justified to preserve life. The part where you die is the part where they kill you afterwards. No one is going to wait until they declare their intent to kill you before fighting back. You take whatever opportunity you have because you might not get another one.