loses brain function
can feel pain
X to doubt
The person who posted this is a solid example of such a case
I’m more on this part…
becomes unconscious
I have 9 surgeries in my life and I’m wondering how hollow I am now.
Just thwack yourself with a mallet in a few places and listen for an echo. Simple as
More echos= better health
The gold standard to declare brain death is nuclear medicine scan of brain blood circulation. This is done in addition to bedside brain death testing and even EEG if the family wants it all. We fucking KNOW if a patient has cerebral blood flow or not. This person is ridiculously incorrect.
What I really don’t get with these sort of theories is: If something as unethical and outlandish as harvesting organs from a healthy, living person were occurring like this, you really think they’re going to look at a little checkbox on your driver’s license and be like “ah dang no permission for evil today, guess this fucker gets to live”
It’s the same with SovCits. They think the entire world is a vast conspiracy to generate wealth from their existence and hide it from them, but the people who run the thing can’t just ignore their specifically worded letter.
At least they’re half right.
Why are there so many people with the desire to make up stupid fantasy stories? This is an obvious example, somebody had to invent this, and write it down, and it’s a guarantee that a few idiots will pick this up and run with it, they’ll repost it to multiple places, they’ll add their own fantasy elements to it to make it even worse, and they too will find an audience.
It’s painful to watch how much good is being destroyed by these assholes.
Is it just a snowflake in need of attention issue? Is it a mental disorder issue? It causes way too much damage in our society
Narcissism. They want to feel they know something you don’t, and they want attention for saying it.
In a very rigid sense of being composed living tissue, yes - you are alive during organ donation in most cases. In the sense of being a human being or really even an organism… less so.
If I cut off my arm, the tissue would continue to metabolize for a few minutes (?) but I wouldn’t exactly argue for its right to vote.
ARM SUFFRAGE
Even arms know you don’t take babies from their mother’s arms.
Right for arms to bear votes.
I also vote for this guy’s arm.
The author knows this is true because that’s how their brain got removed. 🙄
I hate BS like this. And yes I’m biased because I got a double lung transplant. There are so many myths about organ donation. You basically have to have no brain activity and be stable.
That’s awesome. My niece passed away several years ago waiting on lungs to become available (CF). Everyone in the family is an organ donor now. If we’re not using them might as well give someone else a shot.
Exactly. Just leave my facial skin for the family, and take the rest if you can use it.
Fuck that. Take the facial skin too. I want my open casket funeral to be memorable.
That made me laugh! Good one Sir/Madam!
And by open casket funeral I mean ditch down by the river that they find me in.
Ewww, I don’t think I want my grand aunt’s facial on me. Let some other poor sap have it.
I was diagnosed CF at three months old. I made it into my 20’s before I was on oxygen full time and was listed for a transplant. I got my transplant over 15 years ago and I’m still doing awesome now.
So I try to thank donors in advance on behalf of the potential recipients of those life saving gifts.
I don’t know you but hearing this makes me incredibly happy and I wish you a long life and all the joy it brings!
Holy shit, what led to that and how are you now?
Cystic fibrosis, it’s a genetic thing. The lungs have a harder time clearing mucus out and that eventually scars the lungs and reduces lung function.
When I was born they didn’t even know what caused it (DNA defect that has a 25% chance of being passed to a child when both parents are CF carriers) .
Now they have target medications to fix the genes that were damaged. It’s pretty amazing.
I’m over 15 years post transplant and am doing great.
I’m really glad to hear it. Modern medicine is pretty wild when you think about it. Here’s to your continued health! 🥂
Well that person has no brain activity but they’re also unstable so that’s an issue
If I’m so injured they’re not sure I’ll make it, but they can save someone else with my organs, please do that.
Yeesh.
What is an hour of agony while I’m already suffering and dying to added years of reduced pain to someone who isn’t dying anymore. I don’t know what all I owe my fellow humans, but I know they deserve that.
I think it’s more like, so injured that you won’t make it. If it was a coin flip for someone’s survival, then it would be basically murder to take someone’s organs.
The original news article has since been archived, but there was a horrifying case in 2007 where EMS in my hometown arrived at an accident for which they were unprepared because dispatch had mislabeled it as low-speed crash. There were 4 occupants in the vehicle, and, according to the fired EMT’s family, the front passenger was so badly injured that pieces of her brain were on the dashboard and she was unresponsive. The ill-equipped team worked to get the other three occupants out of the car and get them to the hospital and ended up assumed that someone on the crew had taken the presumed-dead passenger’s pulse.
As a result, a tarp was thrown over her body and she was taken away to the morgue where the coroner eventually discovered that she’d died due to her injuries rather than upon impact. All four of the emergency responders faced disciplinary action and I believe the family of the deceased won a lawsuit against the city.
The bottom line, and to your point, there are very strict guidelines and a lot of red tape before you get to say someone is “close enough to dead” to start carving out their organs.
Hood said the four paramedics were in the 21st hour of a 24-hour shift that began the previous day.
The ridiculous way we run 24 hour emergency services across the world is beyond dumb. How we get away with making EMS, Fire, and Healthcare work 12-24 hour shifts is beyond me.
10 hours is already stretching it with police (unions OP) or other professions like Security.
Yeah, non-police can sleep if they’re in a suburb. Until I see data that people running 24 hour shifts vs running classic 1/2/3rd shifts is better on their health, I’m forever going to doubt.
Alas, there’s no chance we’re mandating no working 2nd and 3rd shifts until we’re practically in a utopia already. The secret toll it takes on people is criminal without proper pay.
After 22 years, researchers found that the women who worked on rotating night shifts for more than five years were up to 11% more likely to have died early compared to those who never worked these shifts. In fact, those working for more than 15 years on rotating night shifts had a 38% higher risk of dying from heart disease than nurses who only worked during the day. Surprisingly, rotating night shifts were also linked to a 25% higher risk of dying from lung cancer and 33% greater risk of colon cancer death. The increased risk of lung cancer could be attributed to a higher rate of smoking among night shift workers, says Schernhammer.
Just want to point out, many, or even most, police work 12 hour shifts as well.
The second thing I want to point out is that many of these workers want shifts like that. Having to work (depending on your schedule) a 2/2/5/5 or a 3/4/4/3 is seen as a nice thing. I know people in all three of the public service front-facing jobs, and they would fight you if you (as a city council member or something) proposed to change the scheduling from a 12 to an 8.
The third thing is that rotating shifts suck. I worked one where we switched ever 3-4 weeks, and that was like gargling monkey balls as you try to wake up for that first day shift, or stay awake on that first night shift. I can definitely see how those can contribute to death and dying. Conversely, when I worked straight nights for two years, I never really had issues. Long term, maybe, but the article you linked even mentions that it’s the rotations specifically that make it bad.
Oh, and the fourth thing. Suburb or not, sleep is rare. I can probably number the number of times a night let you have more than 1-3 hours of sleep in the low scores, whether I was in urban, suburban, or bum-fuck rural (and I’ve done all three, at least 3 years each now). People are always ill, dying, or getting into trouble.
The point isn’t to work more homie. It’s to work 32 hours by hiring more professionals at 40 hours of pay. A shift is great until you realize what you should be working in 24/7/365 jobs simply because your employer or the citizens don’t want to pay for what your job truly entails.
You can complain about fighting their set schedules, but that’s the entire point of my comment, even if you glossed over the fact that 2nd and 3rd shifts are going to send you to an early grave regardless of shift hopping.
32 hour work weeks. Rotate days off but stay on your shift. If you work 2nd or 3rd, you absolutely require more pay. Chances are you’re going to die 5-10 years younger than your contemporaries. Hire more to cover the gaps without decreasing total pay. This is the way.
Now getting people to suck it up with taxes is another whole can of worms lol.
You know, that’s exactly right. When I had to have heart surgery, they put me out. In fact, I asked the doc if they could sedate me early cause I was anxious, and he said sure. I woke up with no heart, not eyes, no liver, you get it. How I’ve been able to survive since is a fucking miracle. I’m like a living zombie.
Give me back my organs, gubment!
These people are hilarious except for the part where they vote.
The author just didn’t think of the right target group :D
This has all the hallmarks of a good “Creepypasta” story. It’s based on something real, then inserts just a quantum of bullshit that would turn a good and real thing into a living nightmare.
Just enterfaining this insane theory. Surely a spike in heart rate and blood pressure would be short lived as a substantial loss of blood right? At what point would there be no more pain from shock? Shortly after a major organ is removed? Anyway, where do people come up with these crazy theories…
To plays devil’s advocate there are inconsistent standards of what constitutes dead many established decades ago and whereas some folks are obviously by any standard a potato others including by standards they themselves elect are defunct in ways that we understand far less eg not able to initiate breathing on their own or not capable of regaining consciousnesses. Due to our lack of complete understanding there have been cases in which people were taken off the ventilator to die and spontaneously started breathing. EG our original analysis was obviously incomplete.
What is experienced if anything by those near or even post official death is also an interesting open question. Experiments involving flooding pig heads dead for > 1 hour with oxygenated liquid have shown some sign of electrical activity in cells for instance. We don’t even know what the subjective experience of people being operated on really is other than obviously NORMALLY they don’t consciously form memories or have control of their faculties.
All of that said organ transplants save so many lives and it is a voluntary process. If you have any concerns whatsoever you ought to think hard about it and make your wishes expressly known rather than blanket shutting the door on saving those lives. I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family to make intelligent decisions if I’m not able to make them.
I’ve worked in ERs before and am somewhat familiar with the process they use for determining brain death. There was a child that came in with catastrophic brain damage, and the process to determine that the child was in a permanent vegetative state was quite extensive. There were multiple evaluation by neurologists and neurosurgeons via MRI and EEG over the course of multiple days to verify a lack of brain function. It’s not something that is determined in the moment. The decision made in the ER is whether or not the organs will be donated because it can make some differences in the life-support care during the brain death determination process.
NORMALLY they don’t consciously form memories or have control of their faculties
And remember, those two states (not being able to form memories AND not having control of faculties) can be, and sometimes are, two different drugs. It’s why you have the horror stories of people remembering waking up on the surgery table, but being unable to move.
Somebody during the French revolution was interested in whether the guillotined heads would respond in some way, so he called them by name. Some did.
I read that to be extra cruel, they’d pick the severed head up and show it the body. That way if you remained conscious for a little while after your head is cut off, the last thing you’ll see is the horror of your headless body.
Here is a collection of stories for y’all to enjoy: https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/01/25/some-experiments-with-severed-heads/
Fascinating.
Fasces-nating (I know that’s Italian, close enough)
Perhaps he’d been watching this reliable british documentary?
Conspiracy theorists never have conspiracy theories against people and things they like lol.
Also, I hope whoever took the screenshot got their food from Uber Eats and the driver didn’t fuck them over.
But who hates organ donors? It’s a strange kind of insanity.
Religious nutters, for one. They believe that when Christ has his Second Coming he will resurrect everyone who has ever died, but only if all their organs and stuff are intact and in place. So organ donation is just a conspiracy by Satan to keep everyone from being gloriously resurrected.
I honestly wonder what they think their bodies will look like a couple decades after they die. Do they think that, because they were ‘good little Christians’, their bodies will be staying as fresh as when they were interred?
Or maybe their ‘all-powerful’ God can only restore their organs from dust if that dust is in the right spot?
Ah shit what if you had your gall bladder removed. Or you receive a transplant, do you become like an ogre with two heads
Shop accident and you lose a finger…no heaven for you I guess. Better just start a life of crime.
Believe it or not, hell.
Only if all their organs are intact? Lol, what about all the people that die in horrific ways that sattere their body parts? guess they get a pass, or too bad so sad, no heaven for you when that earthquake dropped a building in you.
Well, god doesn’t like them, obviously. It’s why they had a building dropped on top.