• snacks@feddit.uk
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      focusing on the leader is ok but its not the main course. This lead as long as it holds will bring so many centre left and left MPs to Parliament its going to rival 97 if not better it. The policies will have to come from Conference in summer, so Starmer will fight a manifesto of Labour issues. What starmer is doing is making sure he dosnt spook the horses like Corbyn did, it was close but not over the line. We have to get it over the line, we have to kill these parasites and consign them to history.

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      Is he really that bad? Genuinely asking, where can Iearn more?

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        You’ll never get a sensible answer from people who put down comments like this.

        Starmer would clearly be better than Sunak, but to say so would be a fundamental issue because their tribalism prevents them from saying anything nice about anyone other than their chosen flavour of Labour.

        I mean, he is calling him a Tory. Says everything really, can’t be a Socialist unless you agree with me on every point.

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          I mean, I’ve heard that he is more of a centrist compared to his predecessor, but what I’ve been hearing about him makes it sound like he is a plant - which I refuse to believe - but I do want to know where he stands.

          I agree with you though, I don’t think I can get a clear answer here, unfortunately.

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            Nothing he has done makes him sound like a plant.

            Are you referring to the delisting from last week where people were doing stupid things, get delisted and then whinging about it? Liking twitter posts that say Starmer should be removed and calling him names or walking away from crucial votes? Yeah, that’s going to get you party support. They sound like idiots who shouldn’t really be politicians.

            Making factless snide remarks about the party leader, who has had his background combed through, had people in his party read through his background and still vote for him? Sound like a Tory trying to make Labour in-fight so they are less of a challenge to the Conservatives.

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              Not saying I’ve heard/seen him do anything that makes him look like a plant, I’ve heard people talking about him that way (sorry I badly worded that)

              Agree with what you wrote

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    I’m sure their solution will be to go more to the right. It is always is their answer. Which will keep harming them until a new Cameron comes round to try and detoxify them again.

    If we had a better voting system, you wouldn’t get these unstablely broad churches. We also have Parliaments always more reflective of voters wishes.

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      Yes, but if we had a fairer voting system then the Tories would murder premature babies and take soldier’s armour away.

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        “We send £250 million per week to the EU, let’s spend it on AV”

        I think I’ve cracked it guys.

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        No. In simple terms, you use ‘fewer’ for things you can count, and ‘less’ for things you can’t. For example, the Tories could win fewer than 100 seats, which would mean they would have less political influence than before.

        The key thing is whether you can count it or not. If you remember that simple rule, you will make fewer grammatical mistakes and you will be less wrong.

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    A surge to the right, further populism and eroding economic credibility.

    Their voting cohort are either pensionable and dropping off or disaffected Red wall areas needing credible alternative messaging to shift away from Tory ‘easy solutions’ (blame everything else). The former will become less relevant. The latter needs more work by labour to avoid them becoming recurring voters for the conservatives.

    The small number of true neoliberal elite and foreign actors are finding their influence curtailing for now … but for them it’s a long game. Assuming labour do get in for a couple of terms, they’ll need to use the second term for some fairly heavy reform (house of lords, rebalancing of public ownership of key utilities, full transparency on party and individual donations, limit on external jobs MPs take)

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      Seems like surges to either the left or the right are electoral suicide for parties. Didn’t work so well for Labour in the past two elections. Hopefully a more central position gets them back into power.

      alternative messaging to shift away from Tory ‘easy solutions’ (blame everything else).

      Totally agree with this, they should listen to the messaging of, “blame the rich” / “blame the corporations” / “blame the non doms” / “blame private schools”. That will totally bring people on board without being divisive. 😐.

      Labour made cute noises about electoral reform during their conference in the summer. I haven’t heard anything about this since. It’s a shambles. They need to get behind AV instead of standing in it’s way. Represent the whole of the UK more fairly and we might see some sensible politics in this country.

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        The Labour members were in favour of electoral reform but the Labour leadership won’t back it unfortunately, especially not whilst they’re staring down the barrel of a majority government.

        Blair almost backed electoral reform until he got a stonking majority.

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          That’s a real shame. One of the easiest changes we could make to make our country more representative and fairer is to get rid of FPTP. I’m disappointed Labour aren’t picking this up.