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Have you seen a video of a late term abortion? They literally pull out arms and legs piece by piece. You can cope internally all you want but you are ending a human life when you abort a child. There isn’t something that magically makes them become human when the leave the womb.
You also completely ignore the life quality of the children that are forced to be born with physical and/or mental problems, parents that can’t afford to give them even the basics, the mental and physical strain that can kill both child and mother etc.
This whole shpiel is completely detached from whether aborting a baby is murder or not. You are rambling while telling people to “learn the basics of things” despite you not really understanding them yourself.
Late term abortion is not a great argument. At some point it is too far along and then most would agree with your point. But to use that point to justify getting rid of all abortion, no matter how far along, is just a weak strawman argument.
At what point does it become a human? So would you be okay with banning abortion after the point where you consider it “life”? It seems you recognize that the fetus inside the woman is a human at some point, whereas many people argue it’s not a human until its born.
Viability. If we can safely take care of it outside of the mother then we should do it. That’s bare minimum 20.5 weeks, but realistically probably 23 or 24 weeks. I would like to see discussions about that range from medical professionals and lawmakers in charge of the budget since that early can be very expensive.
Yes. I would also hope to expand adoption/ward of the state options, particularly for this age. Maybe they could basically write that if the mother is giving up the baby at (let’s just say 24 weeks), the state pays for the procedure to remove the child and care for them until they are able to be released home. That is a big expense but I think they do this a lot anyway.
But in this case, you would also want to line up an adoption. With many weeks of hospital care starting at 24 weeks, I feel like that would not be terribly difficult. I hope not. A lot of couples want kids but cannot have them. The new parents could take part in visiting the new baby at the hospital until it’s time to bring them home.
Yes. It’s a distinction we draw based on nature and it’s vitally important to have that distinction. Comparing fetuses to people who are disabled; etc. are false equivalencies because they’ve already been born and thus already have those rights. Birth is the quintessential start of life.
But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.
This is an almost religious claim with no empirical evidence backing it.
But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.
You have really been sold a narrative haven’t you. I just think killing babies because you don’t want them is bad. That’s pretty much the extent of it.
Have you seen a video of a late term abortion? They literally pull out arms and legs piece by piece. You can cope internally all you want but you are ending a human life when you abort a child. There isn’t something that magically makes them become human when the leave the womb.
This whole shpiel is completely detached from whether aborting a baby is murder or not. You are rambling while telling people to “learn the basics of things” despite you not really understanding them yourself.
Late term abortion is not a great argument. At some point it is too far along and then most would agree with your point. But to use that point to justify getting rid of all abortion, no matter how far along, is just a weak strawman argument.
At what point does it become a human? So would you be okay with banning abortion after the point where you consider it “life”? It seems you recognize that the fetus inside the woman is a human at some point, whereas many people argue it’s not a human until its born.
Viability. If we can safely take care of it outside of the mother then we should do it. That’s bare minimum 20.5 weeks, but realistically probably 23 or 24 weeks. I would like to see discussions about that range from medical professionals and lawmakers in charge of the budget since that early can be very expensive.
So would you be okay outlawing abortions past the point of it being viable outside the womb? (assuming there is no threat to the mothers life)
Yes. I would also hope to expand adoption/ward of the state options, particularly for this age. Maybe they could basically write that if the mother is giving up the baby at (let’s just say 24 weeks), the state pays for the procedure to remove the child and care for them until they are able to be released home. That is a big expense but I think they do this a lot anyway.
But in this case, you would also want to line up an adoption. With many weeks of hospital care starting at 24 weeks, I feel like that would not be terribly difficult. I hope not. A lot of couples want kids but cannot have them. The new parents could take part in visiting the new baby at the hospital until it’s time to bring them home.
When it’s born.
So a person only magically becomes a human when they get born? What about the birth process makes them any more or less human?
The consent of the woman to allow the use of her body is the only thing that matters.
Yes. It’s a distinction we draw based on nature and it’s vitally important to have that distinction. Comparing fetuses to people who are disabled; etc. are false equivalencies because they’ve already been born and thus already have those rights. Birth is the quintessential start of life.
But we both know you’re never going to accept that because you want to subjugate women and deny them happiness, and that’s all this is really about.
This is an almost religious claim with no empirical evidence backing it.
You have really been sold a narrative haven’t you. I just think killing babies because you don’t want them is bad. That’s pretty much the extent of it.