I’d like to take this opportunity to blame Citizens United and the lack of regulation on the advertising industry.
Social media companies seek greater engagement to increase their main source of revenue: advertising. Extremist opinions on topics like abortion receive greater engagement, so algorithms optimize accordingly.
We need to post birth abort some of these Supreme Court justices
Won’t someone rid us of these meddlesome justices?
Democrats did this by not codifying
This kind of gaslighting should not be tolerated. Everyone take a moment and block that troll.
That’s like saying that the burgler that bypassed your locks by smashing a window is fully justified because you didn’t put cages over the glass. Reproductive rights were protected by 50 years of precedent. Roe was established case law for decades and was overturned by a court that rejected how the judicial branch was working and has worked for centuries by ignoring precedent, accepting a case on weak standing to challenge it, and arguing that the established case law was wrong on shakey arguments.
Don’t let right-wing nuts lie to you about objective reality.
That’s like saying that the burgler that bypassed your locks by smashing a window is fully justified because you didn’t put cages over the glass.
There is no lock. There is no broken window. There is no burglar, because this person was invited inside the house. The Democratic Party has been rife with “Pro-Life” candidates for decades. The Dems on the judiciary committee going back 40 years have rubber stamped Pro-Life candidates in the Judiciary Committee.
Dems will put the GOP in their fucking cabinet. The GOP isn’t breaking in, its being invited in.
Don’t let right-wing nuts lie to you about objective reality.
If you wait on Federal Dems to save you, you’re going to be left extremely disappointed.
How can you simultaneously claim that abortion was protected only by precedent, yet the democrats did everything in their power to preserve it?
Oh you’re trying so hard to build a strawman! How adorable.
Roe was established case law. Reproductive rights were settled. Blaming Democrats when the actions of Republicans baselessly dismissed it is moronic.
Okay… so why haven’t dems baselessy reinstated it?
They have. In the seven states that have put abortion issues on the ballot since 2022, every single one has supported abortion, including red states: Montana, Kentucky, Kansas, and Ohio.
10 states have abortion issues in their ballots this year. Abortion access is being picked up faster than “Constitutional Carry” did.
You may wish to observe that the Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives, meaning the Democratic Caucus lacks the votes to reinstate it.
Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives
The GOP gained that majority in 2023. Dems had an opportunity to enshrine Roe in 2021 as well as in 2009 under Obama. In both instances, they decided pursuing the legislation would be too unpopular and punted.
What’s more, the Dems had the opportunity to shut down the ACB nomination - weeks before Biden was sworn in. Feinstein waved her through, after McConnell had successfully stonewalled the Garland nomination for over a year. Dems cave on this shit constantly. There are simply too many Pro-Life Democrats to expect they will deliver on reinstating Roe.
And, in states with Democratic majorities, they are codifying it at the state level. Sucks for the rest of us, though. I’m moving out of one of them for many reasons, but one important one is for my children.
Lots of red states are pushing for a vote on it and passing, too. It’s wild seeing “vote no on amendment 3” signs here in Missouri as if it’s not just advertising for the majority of us to show up and shut these chucklefucks up. I’m hoping that’s how it’ll go anyway 😓
I saw a “vote no on question 1” sign in maryland and they claimed it was to “protect children”.
You know what protects kids? Keeping their moms alive.
Crossing my fingers for you! I’m hoping that Harris and certain single issue referenda (like marijuana) will bring people to the polls and while they’re there, they’ll vote for women’s rights.
Hope you’re moving to the PNW. We need more good people here.
Sticking with east coast for now. Not sure where we’ll ultimately end up. Not an easy decision.
None of these things keep democrats from stacking courts.
What a life. Just throw out nonsense statements with no evidence, don’t address a single counter point, and just go on living with ignorant confidence. I see the appeal of being Republican. Facts and reality are such a drain to deal with.
Here you go, buddy.
TL;DR:
Obama left 105 empty federal judgeships when he left office.
Republicans slowed down Democratic nominees during Obama’s first term.
They virtually shut the process down in Obama’s final two years.
IDK how that would possibly happen with Manchin and Sinema in there. It seems easier to pass a federal law.
Logically, the answer would have to be that Democrats lack the power to preserve it. Which happens to be true because:
- Ordinary legislation would not be sufficient to overturn state laws regarding abortion due to the 10th Amendment, and even if it was the 2/3 Republican court would overturn it anyway.
- A constitutional amendment would require a 2/3 majority that Democrats will not have in this lifetime.
And so why weren’t the courts getting stacked the moment Biden took office?
Remember Diane Feinstein?
She was a crucial vote to fill court seats for biden. She also had dementia and then died. Her absence from the senate was part of what slowed filling vacancies.
Also assholes like Manchin and Sinema - may they rot in hell.
The democrats have become Such a big tent party that there’s no more room for common sense.
Two reasons:
- Ethics
- The GOP engaged in a campaign of doing everything, fair and foul, to prevent or at least slow this from happening.
I’m a nurse and there is no amount of money you could possibly pay me to work in Texas again. That entire state is hostile towards healthcare workers.
I got a friend who visited Texas over the summer and loved it, now she wants to move over there. I wonder if it’s actually that bad or maybe it is and she just never saw it.
“the healthcare in Texas is terrible!”
“Well I had a friend go to Texas and not visit a hospital or engage with the healthcare system at all, so I don’t know why I’m even typing this comment…”
She visited for a couple weeks. Living somewhere is very different. Especially if she didn’t leave the blue cities.
I lost power for a week during the winter storm of 2021 when I lived there. They barely have a functional power grid. It’s like a third world country there.
That’s my impression of Texas. Crumbling infrastructure and shitty politics.
If you’re white, wealthy, and sterile Texas has excellent healthcare
…and women, and LGBTQ folks, and logic, and laws…
Conservatives did this. Trump was the tool they used, but this would have happened under Jeb! or any other Republican president as well.
Don’t let the rest of the party off the hook. They all own this.
I think a lot of people forget the automatic abortion bans specifically set up for the overturning of Roe v Wade. Republicans have wanted this for over 50 years. It’s like pointing a remote control rocket launcher at your neighbor’s house and then lobbying to get rocket launcher related domestic terrorisms legalized. Okay, maybe a bit extreme, but still your pregnant neighbor dies with an unborn child in either case, so…
If you know that, so do Democrats. Yet they did nothing to protect it.
Obama: “Protecting Roe is not a priority.”
“The thing the Republicans did was terrible, but Democrats did not do enough to prevent it, so I’m going to support the Republicans!”
Make it make sense.
I mean ig, big blunder on their part for sure, but not exactly the people who are murdering women by banning emergency abortions so what’s your point
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Amber Thurmond should still be alive. And there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was. - JD Vance at the debate
We’ve got to do so much better of a job at earning the American People’s trust back on this issue where they frankly just don’t trust us. - Also JD Vance at the debate
Not hard to connect these dots JD
Democrats did this by refusing to codify decades ago.
They would have had to put it in the constitution.
Any congressional laws this supreme court would have declared unconstitutional.
It’s a bold take to blame the side that failed to prevent something, rather than the side that actually did the thing.
When the side that failed to prevent something had the power to prevent it, they are to equally to blame
I mean, I am utterly befuddled at how you could reach that conclusion.
There is an old saying, ‘see something, say something.’ Democrats saw something and their only thought was turning it into a fundraising opportunity.
I’m guessing that’s in reference to your reply to someone else about messages going out asking for donations after the supreme court decision? That may be in poor taste, I’ll grant you, bug doesn’t change the fact that it still wasn’t the democrats that made the decision in the first place.
If Person A punches Person B, and Person C could have stopped it, I would still blame Person A for throwing the punch.
A lot of people were saying something. A conditional amendment would require 2/3rds of the house, when did the Democrats have 2/3rds of the house?
Nice goal post you got there
Does that mean Republican representatives and senators are inherently useless?
Up until the court decided to start ignoring centuries of legal tradition that is the bedrock of our legal system and threw out stare decisis the decision was actually more secure than a specific law.
Any law codifying it can be challenged on many grounds, especially the 10th amendment. It could easily have been struck down as unconstitutional because the federal government has no power to pass a law affecting this issue, since the constitution doesn’t grant it.
Only a constitutional amendment would have been likely to survive a court willing to do what this one has done, and there is zero possibility the Democrats could have passed one.
Several members of Congress thought a law was good enough, Obama thought it was good enough when he promised to sign the freedom of choice act on day one in office. Then 3 months later said it was no longer a legislative priority.
“The guy who did the arson isn’t to blame, it’s the firefighters for getting there too late”
If you really wanted to stop houses from burning down you’d build a fire house on every block and make the Dems pay for it.
It’s the ones claiming to be firefighters
So it’s not the arsonist who’s to blame, it’s the neighbor who shouted “look out! There’s an arsonist!” But didn’t physically tackle them?
It’s Democrats pretending to be firefighters watching Republicans burn things while proclaiming someone should do something
Woosh
Decades ago, the parties were much different than today. There were pro-choice Republicans and pro-life Democrats. Only one time in recent (2000+) memory did the Dems ever have the 60 votes necessary for codifying Roe. They used that two-ish week window to pass the ACA.
And that’s not even touching on the differing public approval of abortion.
They used that two-ish week window to pass the ACA.
The ACA was passed in March 2010. Obama took office more than a year earlier. The bill to codify Roe was written in 2003, all that it needed was a vote, which Pelosi refused.
Your revisionist history is wrong.
No revisionist history. Pelosi refused to bring it to the floor because she didn’t have the votes. There’s lots of stuff to criticize her on, but whipping and vote counting aren’t that.
Do you remember 2000 - 2006? We had the Republicans floating and pushing anti-marriage freedom constitutional amendments. They controlled the House, Senate, and White House. Republicans controlled the 107th, 108th, and 109th congresses. So while Pelosi could have proposed the Act, there’s no guarantee Hastert (the Republican Speaker) would have even have allowed that on the floor.
She refused a vote while SHE was speaker. And if you remember correctly it was Bill Clinton that signed DOMA with Pelosi as House leader which restricted our marriages.
The ACA which should be noted was desperately needed at the time unlike Roe which was known to be at risk but not nearly as immediate.
I’m not happy Roe is dead. The fact is though that without a constitutional amendment Roe was always on borrowed time with the constant attacks on it, and I don’t believe that there is any time after the issuance of the bill of rights that an amendment protecting abortion would work, and in the form of the bill of rights it would’ve had to be a robust privacy amendment that just happened to protect abortion.
You really do make a habit of being on the bottom with your terrible takes don’t you
As if these zealots wouldn’t have ruled it unconstitutional or slowly weakend it with a series of cases anyway. See recent decisions gutting Voting Rights Act, weakening the Clean Water Act, Campaign Reform Act of 2002, Dodd-Frank and other federal laws.
So what I’m hearing is if Democrats had codified it, Republicans would have come along and got it struck down. But to fix the problem we need to elect more Democrats to get it codified?
No one else sees the circular reasoning behind this?
Yeah, Dems had this crazy idea that Republicans wouldn’t just straight go against the will of most Americans. But it seems to be their MO now, so ya, more Dems would be better, because now we know we need to codidy everything because Republicans have no problem destroying the common man for a buck.
They knew it would eventually happen, that’s why they kept promising to codify, and never did
And if we have another 2016, Trump can appoint Thomas and Alito’s successors, and maybe some more, with more Federalist Society hacks.
That lesser evil that’s grown enormous was a mistake wasn’t it?
As a Canadian, I’d like to ask you a couple of things.
What exactly does it mean to codify something? Two, why can’t the Federal Gov put out a set of standards and say, “If you want Federal money for your healthcare systems, you have to meet these standards. If you don’t want to, that’s fine, but in that case you get get nothing from us.”
That’s essentially how it works in Canada between our Federal gov and the Provinces, granted Canadian Provinces are less powerful than American states, but the power of the purse should still be the same, yes?
That’s how the minimum age for purchasing tobacco used to work in the US; if states wanted a specific chunk of federal funding, their minimum age had to be set to at least 18.
Look, republicans suck ass, it’s true. But if Dems had codified Roe into law either time they had the supermajority (two chances in the last 20 years), then the corrupt SC wouldn’t have been able to do jack shit. If dems had any integrity, they would shoulder a significant amount of the blame for this issue, because they had their chance and deemed it “not a priority.”
Sure, Dems absolutely should have codified it. However, a federal law protecting abortion rights as health care against the religious freedom of a regional Catholic hospital’s beliefs not to save a mother’s life with an abortion would be the test case and I’m pretty sure I know how 5 of the Justices would vote. This SCOTUS know they have unchecked power and are no longer afraid to wield it.
Would be interesting to see that play out fully. Here’s hoping we get the chance to do so in the next few years. Its so heartbreaking that so many women are suffering/dying because of these regressive policy positions.
I’ll never, ever forget the very first thing Democrats did when Republicans successfully overturned Roe.
They sent out a mass text asking for $15 donations because of what had just happened.
They had that shit ready to go immediately. Maybe if they had put a fraction of that preparation into having legislation ready to go, they wouldn’t have wasted their opportunities to protect Americans’ rights.
But at least they did for the only thing that matters. Fundraising.
Well yeah, the decision was leaked early.
Republicans were trying to overturn Roe for half a century. Best Democrats were willing to do in response was to cynically regard it as a fundraising opportunity.
They had that text waiting to be sent for years. The story was hot off the press when I got mine begging for money
Turns out the party that does nothing and calls it incrementalism can move pretty quickly when they’re panhandling.
I agree both major parties had a hand in this directly or indirectly. But only one has any chance of changing this for the better.
Which one, the one that directly revoked women’s rights or the one that did nothing to prevent it from happening?
You don’t seem to have a grasp on reality.
The reality is the DNC is nothing but lip service
And the RNC is a terrorist group trying to take over America. Lol
We have 3 Justices on the court because of *the party that did nothing." Nothing short of a Constitutional amendment at this point will “codify” abortion rights in the eyes of the right. We need to get SCOTUS back.
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