• Andy@slrpnk.net
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    From a technical standpoint, this is an incredible achievement. From a moral or rational one, though, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS IS TERRIBLE.

    I just don’t even have the energy to list all the ways this is an insane and destabilizing thing to do. Fuck. God, I wish we had any electoral power of America’s terrible foreign policy.

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      God, I wish we had any electoral power of America’s terrible foreign policy.

      You do, but it means not supporting at least two parties.

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        I agree, although so far there don’t seem to be enough of us.

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      Do you think it’s worse than Hezbollah firing rockets over the border?

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        Nah, I would say pretty much same idea of disregarding civilian life.

        So you see Israel also as terrorist club now?

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          Not really

          It’s a country that was attacked by Hezbollah, and is trying to take them out with as little civilian casualties as possible

          I don’t think there are many countries that would just sit back and take it because they can’t accept any collateral

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            The reasons why this is such a big f’g deal are many.

            First, this IS textbook terrorism. An entire country full of civilians is paralyzed with fear of any item blowing up at any moment. In addition to the killing and maiming, this is deliberate.

            Second, Mossad is innovating new theaters of warfare. Others will imitate this. This further legitimizes any place – hospitals, schools, houses of warship – as legitimate venues for bombing. And that includes in the US.

            Third, this is ANOTHER escalation! Most of us don’t want a giant regional war! And yet people act like Hezbollah was so provocative that they gave Israel no choice. Netanyahu is clearly the instigator! Hezbollah is actually in a terrible place to fight a war. They do not want this, but feel constantly compelled to maintain their credibility. They have repeatedly taken a minimalist approach because they really don’t want to fight this war. This could end instantly if Israel just accepted a ceasefire in Gaza. Ironically, Israel is escalating in Lebanon because there is basically nothing left to blow up in Gaza and Netanyahu needs a constant war to stay out of jail. The claim that this is to let residents in the north go home is the same as the claim that the war in Gaza was to bring back hostages. A year later, ask the kibbutzim how that worked out.

            All of this is common knowledge in Israel. The head of the military is about to be replaced for repeatedly stating that all of this is contrary to Israel’s security!

            It’s just insane.

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              Bruh… Chill… Hezbollah is launching rocket indiscriminately at civilians, Israël is carefully choosing its target with these device. Average lebanese dont give a fuck about this, they want Hezbollah to get the fuck back in Iran and want a normal and not corrupted government… Thats all. They fear much more about their own country going deeper into the shit and another accident due to poor government control (like Beirut harbour explosion), than Israël commiting surgical strike near them (most of lebanese see the death of this douchbag as a good news).

              And its not an escalation, assassination of high ranked dickheads of Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran has always been their creed. It was like this before Netty, it will be the case after, and until no other threats to Israel exist (So basically until Iran political implosion).

              Netty and his braindead settlers are only opportunists of a war between Israël and Iran that never ended. But the situation would have been the same if Netty never existed…

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                  Much careful than sending randomly launched rocket on civilian… All the victims were from Hezbollah or related to them. Hezbollah representative in Lebanon is the one responsible for his son death, his choice of hatred and war is what lead to his son death…

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      I had a feeling that this war would start something like this. Israel has been a testing ground for advanced military technology/ideas for a while. Now that they are engaging in war it was inevitable that techniques or ideas that they have been hiding would eventually get used leading to the world being more dangerous than it was before.

      Also as a side note this is why low tech is such a good idea. A small amount of dependencies usually means something is safer in the long run.

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        Going low-tech is what got them here. The change to bulkier devices gave Israel the opportunity to insert explosives. Using existing small devices would not have given them that opportunity.

        Of course, that would mean Israel could continue spying on their cellular communication. It’s a risk calculation.

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          Well maybe I should’ve been more specific. The reason why I mentioned low tech is because it tends to favor localized production and tech that can be easily repaired/modified/created. The pager and walkie talkie attacks came from them not having control over how the tech was produced. If they did have control over that then it would be less likely that this happened and even if it did they would be able to recover quicker.

          PS I actually don’t really care about Hezbollah doing this. They suck. It is just in principle it would be better.

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    Sounds like another reason to standardize easily replaceable batteries.

    If you can’t trust a battery in a device, you should be able to replace it with a trusted one.

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      I mean I dunno, even if you switch to some sort of li-on AAs (something which I think would also be good for other reasons, like making recycling potentially easier, being able to swap batteries between devices, making batteries slightly cheaper), I dunno how many people are gonna want to slice open their own batteries and run tests on what comprises them. Since the half-life on any given set of batteries is probably in the range of multiple years, or at least several months, you’d probably be able to set up an attack before any government agency or private battery replacement or analysis would start getting off the ground to sus out what you’re doing.

      I think the only reason this might be harder with replaceable batteries, would be that the potential for batteries to get swapped out of devices means that you’re less certain to see any kind of explosion from a given device that you’ve modified, and you’re less certain to hit the particular targets that you want, but it doesn’t seem like either of those would really be a big problem for whoever would want to do this sort of terrorism in the first place, so I’m not sure that’s a major deterrent.

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    Israeli and the opposition party should start checking their electronics for explosive

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