• Patapon Enjoyer@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    It wouldn’t. Criticizing Biden doesn’t mean you want Trump to win? I’m baffled that this has to be explained.

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      You might not want it, but the fact is that we have a two party system in the US, and reducing support for one side always increases relative support for the other.

      I’m baffled that this has to be explained.

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        So no one is allowed to criticize anything the democrats do because this is a zero sum game and anything you do just makes the republicans stronger. What a fantastic excuse.

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          So no one is allowed to criticize anything the democrats do …

          Who said that? Maybe you’re taking my assessment of the propagandist drumbeat about genocide being Biden’s fault the wrong way.

          It’s real funny how you and your ilk never show up criticizing Netanyahu, who is, you know, the guy over-prosecuting this conflict.

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            How is it not the logical conclusion to “reducing support for one side increases support for the other”? In what cases am I allowed to criticize genocide and what cases am I not allowed?

            Yeah you don’t see me “and my ilk”, whatever the fuck you’re implying criticizing Netanyahu as much, I also didn’t go out of my way to criticize Bin Laden a lot. Turns out you don’t really need to convince people they should hang when everyone already agrees they should hang instead of defending their indefensible crimes against humanity.

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              The cool thing about Democrats in the US is that you can criticize their policies, and they might even listen to you. Good luck trying to do that with the right wing.

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                Then why bring up the thing about the two party system? We agree about criticizing their policies. People should do it, specially when the policy is genocide. Leveraging your vote and bargaining is the basic concept of democracy.

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                  Because in many other comments, you’re pressing that a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide (as though a Republican administration wouldn’t do even worse things relative to that situation).

                  You are trying to convince people to be uncomfortable voting for the plainly better choice, and the result of that is to increase relative support for the wildly worse choice.

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                    You should be uncomfortable voting for Biden. He is the lesser of two evils. This shouldn’t make you feel good, you’re sacrificing your convictions to stop something worse from happening.

                    If you want to be less uncomfortable, try getting him to stop supporting genocide.

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          You’re allowed to say whatever you want. You need to learn the difference between being disagreed with vs. being censored.

          Nobody is telling you that you can’t criticize Biden. We’re just criticizing you.

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          They lack critical thinking skills and just repeat everything they hear on msnbc I suppose.

          Another corporate shill.

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      It does in the case of election/voting choices.

      To your point, criticizing Biden / the government now, in June is totally fine. And necessary. What’s happening in the world, with a USA stamp on it is unacceptable.

      Unfortunately republican actors are also doing that now and following up by saying “so that’s why I’m not voting for Biden”